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Bob Loblaw 09-23-2015 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 1977220)
That is true of every regional airline. They all depend on new hires to facilitate movement. At least envoy can guarantee movement off the top. How many low time PSA Captains do you think will be leaving PSA in the near future?




Got any stock advice as well? Maybe some medical advice? AAG has in, no uncertain terms, stated that they will use the flow as their primary recruitment incentive. I'm sorry if I put more confidence in a Major Airline CEO who has the operational control to make the flow happen saying that it is the means he will use to attract pilots to his regionals over some disgruntled regional airline FO.

I didn't say they would stop the flow, that would be counter productive to their only recruiting tool. I said they will not continue to go above what they have to. Now, back to your used car sales pitch...

AdiosMikeFox 09-23-2015 06:19 AM

Yes. People hired now will reap the greatest benefit.

Just like stocks, if you wait until everyone's talking about it, it will be too late and the vast majority of the gains are behind you.

FlameNSky 09-23-2015 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977231)
I didn't say they would stop the flow...


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977194)
I wouldn't expect it to last much past the 824, as we hit their staffing goal and pilots on the new pay cap.

Uh yeah, my bad, that isn't what you said at all. :confused: Oh, and please stop saying "we". We all know you don't work here.


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977231)

I said they will not continue to go above what they have to. Now, back to your used car sales pitch...


Better to be a Used Car Salesman than the mop boy at the PSA wh0re house.

Bob Loblaw 09-23-2015 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 1977250)
Uh yeah, my bad, that isn't what you said at all. :confused: Oh, and please stop saying "we". We all know you don't work here.




Better to be a Used Car Salesman than the mop boy at the PSA wh0re house.

A partial quote out of context doesn't paint the full picture. Let me help you with what it is I do not expect to last, taken from the previous sentence in that paragraph, "I'm glad they are flowing more than the minimum..."

As far as you thinking I'm a PSA Wh0re goes, you couldn't be more wrong. Just because I refuse to whitewash the company propaganda like a good little management stooge doesn't mean I do not work for the airline formerly known as Eagle.

Cujo665 09-23-2015 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977194)
It isn't so much the pilots not wanting a rewrite, as the company unwilling to do so. Performance numbers have been high since they began making up their own reserve policies (but I think it's more due to being over staffed) and as such, are not willing to change that since they don't really care how we feel about anything. The arbitration process might work in our favor (or might not [turnbacks]) but it will be YEARS before it is resolved there [LTFO].

You don't think they know that we've won almost EVERY seniority based grievance over the past 20+ years? They want it resolved more than you think; they just have a better poker face.


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977194)
The only way it works is with new hires, which currently, there aren't many out there to hire. Ric said he wants 400 in just over a year. That's nearly double "only needing 15 new hires a month". Also, despite having a temporary slow down, we are still losing aircraft. I'm glad they are flowing more than the minimum, but that is only happening now due being over staffed and them wanting the high priced pilots off the payroll. I wouldn't expect it to last much past the 824, as we hit their staffing goal and pilots on the new pay cap.

What he wants, and what is needed to make 2.5/6 a reality are not the same. Their projections are based upon 15 a month. More is gravy.
You're also assuming the only place to obtain pilots is from the limited supply comming from the colleges and universities.

Cujo665 09-23-2015 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw (Post 1977231)
I didn't say they would stop the flow, that would be counter productive to their only recruiting tool. I said they will not continue to go above what they have to. Now, back to your used car sales pitch...

The retirements go up each year. They can easily go back to only 50% and we are still sending 300+ to AA each year.

RJ Pilot 09-23-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1977291)
The retirements go up each year. They can easily go back to only 50% and we are still sending 300+ to AA each year.

Whats going to happen to the flow, upgrades,reserve if envoy can't hire 300 pilots next yr? ALPA and specifically YOU should've kept your traps shut last yr when your agenda about helping pilots out from envoy backfired.

Results: 50+ in attrition a month that really contributed to;
Less flying.
Base closures
More pilots on reserve
Are you regretting it now?

Good Luck!

livetofly2123 09-23-2015 03:59 PM

Thanks for the info so far
 
Thank you for the replies thus far


You say reserve is currently 4 years. If I were to get the 175 could that lesson the time on reserve or what would be the way to do that?

How many hours does the average reservist pick up?

What is the junior base right now?

Is CVG really getting announced and will that go junior or senior?(guessing junior)

Once hired how long til jumpseat privileges start? after IOE?





Anyone interview lately have an idea what to expect?


I feel like there is plenty I'm leaving out still new to the game feel me in.

Justrun 09-23-2015 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by livetofly2123 (Post 1977717)
You say reserve is currently 4 years. If I were to get the 175 could that lesson the time on reserve or what would be the way to do that?

How many hours does the average reservist pick up?

What is the junior base right now?

Is CVG really getting announced and will that go junior or senior?(guessing junior)

Once hired how long til jumpseat privileges start? after IOE?

Anyone interview lately have an idea what to expect?

Reserve time depends on what base and aircraft you are in. There are guys at envoy with 2 years of seniority holding a line on the CRJ in ORD.

They are hiring both into the CRJ and 145. if the amount of new hires stays consistent on the CRJ guys in class right now could sit reserve less than a year. There is a lot more hiring on the 145 but it is a larger fleet. If you do get the 175 reserve time could be even less if they put a lot of new hires in it. Reserve times are ever changing.

Reserve guys can do anywhere between 30 and 80 hours. Looking at the reserve list you can see both extremes. Some guys that live in base don't want to fly and some guys would rather just commute in and do one leg to the hotel. Some like to fly a lot.

You can get DFW or ORD out of training.

No CVG base. Might be another airline you are thinking about.

AA non-rev benefits I think are first day. Jumpseat I believe is the same. I got the jumpseat during a break during training.

Interview is three parts. Technical, sim, and HR. Tech is basic IFR and Jep knowledge. Sim is easy. VOR tracking, a hold, and an approach or two. The HR is like any other HR.

adspilot 09-24-2015 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1977182)

Tough question because it can ba answered two ways. Do you want the current time on reserve, or the time a new hire should be on reserve?
Reserve is currently 4 years. However, FO's can not currently bid jet to jet so new hires will be getting the E175 shortly and it is a growing fleet type so time on reserve will be very short. Likewise, the expected time to upgrade is dropping rapidly and if their plans are accurate then if you are upgrading in roughly 2.5 years your time on reserve should be short.

I keep reading this statement that FOs can't bid the E175. I thought displaced FOs can bid the 175. With the closing of MIA and NY that makes a lot of FOs able to bid the 175. Now, is it just being displaced out of equipment? Or can a MIA EMJ FO displaced to ORD EMJ FO also bid the 175?


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