I really work at Envoy. There are two separate issues facing Envoy right now.

1. Rampant stagnation and contraction caused by management.
2. Management has completely rewritten several aspects of our contract. If you look back in recent post you will see what our grievances are against the company.

The ONLY way the first problem is going to get better is if we can hire people. With the current pay we have that's not going to happen. The retention bonus doesn't help with the first problem. The 121 poaching effort might attract Republic pilots but that's it. So the only way I'll get off reserve if we hire more pilots. I don't see that happening without significant pay raises or bonuses for all pilots.

Problem two isn't going away without new management.

These "false facts" are actually true.

Eaglefly and cr700. They two most annoying posters on here are now at it. You both have very slanted points of views.

Perhaps there is a "secret plan" that is unknown to most except those "in the know", ostensibly like 700 ? Even if there was, it would only likely impact the first problem you describe as the second one I agree will never change without new management. Even with that, personally, I don't think another 40 shiny new planes and a few more bucks in the pocket will cause a stampede to Envoy, let alone veiled claims of "something in the works". That's sucker bait and the worst fact of all is that the herd is so thinned out now, even the hunters are looking for more plentiful game. :cool:

OK, perhaps you're right. I withdraw my slanted agreement with your post above. ;)

Here we go again.

At least there were a few useful posts before degenerating.

5 1/2 year upgrade?

Whenever I see cr700 posting here, I have to go grab my popcorn before viewing. Thanks for giving me plenty to laugh about. Here is an idea. Why don't you actually get upgrades and flow down to 2.5/5.5 and then come back here. Until then, I don't really care about your "projections."

Yup, I've been reading this thread on and off for many days and all was peaceful until...........yup, you guessed it, the "sales" started back up again. You'd think at least some new bait would have been included, but it was essentially the same old pitch using the same old inaccuracies by the same old person with the same old motive.

All I did was once again disagree with and question that and when attacked with irrelevancy (again :cool:), requested clarification. Apparently, I am a "degenerate" for doing so. What'ya gonne do ? :rolleyes:

I'd love to discuss this with a rational person that doesn't feel compelled to lie and present half truths to attract a few extra new guys. We aren't flowing 360 a year. You keep using that number but we haven't done it in the past and we won't do it this year regardless of what you think or Ric "expects". There will be no street hires or flows for May, June and July. After flowing 120 in the first 4 months that gets us to flowing around 300 if they have classes in Dec which they haven't had the previous two years so we may end up flowing 270 in 2016. Math lesson: that's 90 less than the number you keep using. We need to upgrade 36 pilots a month for the next 20 months for ric's expectations to work out. We need to flow a minimum of 27 a month, uninterrupted(don't laugh) for the next 56 months straight for his calculations to work. Call us cynical if you must but we've been down this road before.

Dics, lap buddy doesn't respond to facts!!