Here's a question for an Envoy pilot "in the know":

In the interest of ferreting out facts vs. claims, Envoy's new ad on this forum (at right) states that among other things, "......with Envoy GUARANTEED to make up HALF of all American Airlines new-hire classes." Has that "guarantee" been met so far this year and if not, how can that be a "guarantee" and can those who make guarantees but don't live up to them be trusted with any information they give out ?

It's a valid question and I'm sure some here would like to know.

I'll bet I've been at this airline, through various names, longer than you big guy.
The people "smearing" you are talking factual while all you can do is throw up "projections" and "expectations" and try to sucker in new hires by glossing them over as "factual", while history has proven differently. The facts are day to day life at envoy is much much worse than most regionals.

Opinion time: You and the rest of management are the worst bunch of cronies I have seen at this airline - ever. That is saying a lot given the scum that has come through here over the years. You are stupid, selfish, and immoral and have no issue lying to people about the certainty of their future. I know people without conscience, such as yourself, can't see this, but these are people's lives you are messing with. May you rot in eternal hell some day.

Eaglefly the answer is NO never been made up.

Pilot crusader I say BRAVO

That's a good question eaglefly. A culture change was needed at AMR. DP assured multiple work groups that it would be a top priority if a merger were to occur. The work groups bought in and now years later APA is asking where is the culture change and recently DP has challenged AAG's middle management to step up, fall in line or get with the program depending on how you interpret his comments. AAG responded to APA's letter by saying in essence we have failed to timely correct the culture issue. So here we are back to the trust issue. DP says there needs to be a culture change, Ric says new hires will upgrade/flow in 2.5/5.5 but these issues seem all but dead in the water. Until management buys into a culture change it won't happen. This includes marketing slogans including words like "guaranteed" and "expecting". At a minimum employees need to be able to trust their leadership.

Anyways...here are a couple of videos about Envoy put out by American Airlines.

The first, AA Vice President of flight Captain Kimball:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQExnJaqJmM

Next, Robert Isom COO of American:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=463j...?v=463jmaVssxU

A bit harsh don't you think??

Sounds like a fluff piece with a bunch of smoke being blown up our collective you know what's.

Just like you and CR700 seem to do here frequently.

Not at all. These guys are evil incarnate. Zero conscience or feel for fellow human beings.

Both of these video's presenters state half of future AA pilots will come from their wholly-owned carriers (plural), whereas Envoy's ad says Envoy pilots alone will not only capture half the slots, but more critically half of EVERY new-hire class. Those two claims are significantly different. The only error I see in representation in these videos is the statement that the Envoy fleet is "growing" leading to fast upgrades. It's my understanding that Envoy management is representing a "stable" fleet that they don't expect to shrink, at least in the near future, so there does appear to be some creative representation in that respect as upgrades there will most likely remain tepid because it's unlikely Envoy will be able to bring enough pilots in over the next year or two to remain its current size.

Why stop at 360 per year? Why not tell them 500 or 720? Since we're just making up unrealistic numbers.