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PilotJ3 03-10-2016 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingPig105 (Post 2086405)
I live in the metroplex and was curious about the training schedule. If I decide to chase the Envoy signing bonus and retention carrot then I'll be at home during training.

Basically: should I tell the wife that I can still take the kids to baseball practice and Boy Scouts or not?

I mean...my friend was asking...I couldn't care less!

Yes.

Saturday's and Sunday's are off until sim. Then it varies.

FlyingPig105 03-10-2016 06:36 PM

Gracias amigo

adspilot 03-11-2016 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingPig105 (Post 2086405)
I live in the metroplex and was curious about the training schedule. If I decide to chase the Envoy signing bonus and retention carrot then I'll be at home during training.

Basically: should I tell the wife that I can still take the kids to baseball practice and Boy Scouts or not?

I mean...my friend was asking...I couldn't care less!

Well, just so you are clear you do not qualify for the retention bonus. I think the schedule is like 8-5 with a lunch break in between. Then things get a bit more random with the sim.

Meatball 03-11-2016 07:18 AM

Envoy is no better than Mesa these days. A total sh*t hole with management in open war against the pilot group. Stay away. Do not believe the lies. We still have eight-year FOs and that will not be changing any time soon.

cr700 03-11-2016 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Meatball (Post 2086663)
Envoy is no better than Mesa these days. A total sh*t hole with management in open war against the pilot group. Stay away. Do not believe the lies. We still have eight-year FOs and that will not be changing any time soon.

You are twisting the facts. The upgrade is coming down quickly. In fact, we just announced 87 new upgrades last week. As the flow continues, you'll see more upgrades in the future. You can expect a person hired today to flow to AA in just under 6 years.

It's apparent that you have an axe to grind with Envoy and aren't objective. There are a few others on this board that like you, seem to have as their life's mission, smearing Envoy and Envoy management while cooking up false facts.

I would suggest talking to some people who really work at Envoy if you really want the truth.

Buzzlightyear 03-11-2016 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2086735)
You are twisting the facts. The upgrade is coming down quickly. In fact, we just announced 87 new upgrades last week. As the flow continues, you'll see more upgrades in the future. You can expect a person hired today to flow to AA in just under 6 years.

It's apparent that you have an axe to grind with Envoy and aren't objective. There are a few others on this board that like you, seem to have as their life's mission, smearing Envoy and Envoy management while cooking up false facts.

I would suggest talking to some people who really work at Envoy if you really want the truth.

I am "expecting" to make $280,000 this year. Starting in May of 2015 I alone announced my expectations for my income to double based solely off my calculations. Does this sound believe able to you?

eaglefly 03-11-2016 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2086735)
You are twisting the facts. The upgrade is coming down quickly. In fact, we just announced 87 new upgrades last week. As the flow continues, you'll see more upgrades in the future. You can expect a person hired today to flow to AA in just under 6 years.

It's apparent that you have an axe to grind with Envoy and aren't objective. There are a few others on this board that like you, seem to have as their life's mission, smearing Envoy and Envoy management while cooking up false facts.

I would suggest talking to some people who really work at Envoy if you really want the truth.

Like you ?

LOL ! :rolleyes:

The facts are that nothing has changed there regarding upgrade/flow since last year. Approximately 205 upgrades are forecast that like the weather can change and the Letter T situation at AA being an unknown variable means no concrete number of flows can be guesstimated for 2016, let along beyond a half decade out. A salesman may take some time off, but when they return, they're goal is usually still sales.

cr700 03-11-2016 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2086747)
I am "expecting" to make $280,000 this year. Starting in May of 2015 I alone announced my expectations for my income to double based solely off my calculations. Does this sound believe able to you?

At most, yours is an apples to oranges comparison. And, it makes no sense. We are talking about a contractual flow that's underway and with the numbers projected, the math works.

Here's a basic math lesson for you. Envoy currently has roughly 2000 pilots. If 360 flow per year, that's about a 5 1/2 year upgrade. We already know that the top 200 or so pilots are not flowing. Let's just say that all 2000 on the list are going to flow. 2000 / 360 = 5.5.

There's your math. Got anything that's useful you'd like to discuss now?

cr700 03-11-2016 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2086753)
Like you ?

LOL ! :rolleyes:

The facts are that nothing has changed there regarding upgrade/flow since last year. Approximately 205 upgrades are forecast that like the weather can change and the Letter T situation at AA being an unknown variable means no concrete number of flows can be guesstimated for 2016, let along beyond a half decade out. A salesman may take some time off, but when they return, they're goal is usually still sales.

I figured the axe grinder would make an appearance here. For those who aren't familiar, eaglefly doesn't even work here! So, if you want to take advice from someone who claims to know all of the internal workings of Envoy that doesn't even work at the company. Well, I'll let you be the judge of his foolish statement above.

eaglefly 03-11-2016 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2086758)
I figured the axe grinder would make an appearance here. For those who aren't familiar, eaglefly doesn't even work here! So, if you want to take advice from someone who claims to know all of the internal workings of Envoy that doesn't even work at the company. Well, I'll let you be the judge of his foolish statement above.

Oh, gee...........I'm sorry. Please correct my post above with factual information. I've never made the claim you attribute to me above, so by all means explain to all why my assertions are invalid with more then irrelevant distraction.


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