Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 2024268)
Good, if they really want to make Envoy the place to go, they better start announcing things here.
We do are getting applicants and new guys, but without vacancy bids or announcements, the pool will dry soon again. I guess now is the time we are starting to see more guys from the CFI programs. |
PM me please.
Originally Posted by boiler07
(Post 2024750)
13 in class this week.
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Give me a break guys! I'm just ready to get started. It's been a tough road getting to 1500 and instructing isn't easy as a lot of you know.
Question. If I don't get the 175, it seems I can expect the CRJ. DFW or ORD are both fine with me. Is reserve on the CRJ still running greater than the 2 years I've heard? |
Originally Posted by envoy1
(Post 2024763)
Question. If I don't get the 175, it seems I can expect the CRJ. DFW or ORD are both fine with me. Is reserve on the CRJ still running greater than the 2 years I've heard?
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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 2024771)
You've heard that CRJ reserve is 2+ years but you're gonna upgrade in 2.5 years?
The flow was also mentioned during the interview that as new 175's come online, it will allow more Captains to flow to AA and create the spots for all of the upgrades. Regardless, I think Envoy is a solid and stable company and I'm really looking forward to getting started! |
Originally Posted by envoy1
(Post 2024763)
Give me a break guys! I'm just ready to get started. It's been a tough road getting to 1500 and instructing isn't easy as a lot of you know.
Question. If I don't get the 175, it seems I can expect the CRJ. DFW or ORD are both fine with me. Is reserve on the CRJ still running greater than the 2 years I've heard? |
Originally Posted by envoy1
(Post 2024775)
That's what the recruiter told us during our pipeline program and it was also mentioned again at the job interview that everything was in motion for it to happen. Not to mention the numerous instances of it being mentioned on this site. I assume that you can get off the CRJ and move to other equipment and still upgrade as soon as it is available?
The flow was also mentioned during the interview that as new 175's come online, it will allow more Captains to flow to AA and create the spots for all of the upgrades. Regardless, I think Envoy is a solid and stable company and I'm really looking forward to getting started! |
Originally Posted by envoy1
(Post 2024775)
That's what the recruiter told us during our pipeline program and it was also mentioned again at the job interview that everything was in motion for it to happen. Not to mention the numerous instances of it being mentioned on this site. I assume that you can get off the CRJ and move to other equipment and still upgrade as soon as it is available?
The flow was also mentioned during the interview that as new 175's come online, it will allow more Captains to flow to AA and create the spots for all of the upgrades. Regardless, I think Envoy is a solid and stable company and I'm really looking forward to getting started! These message boards are all sarcasm and doom and gloomers. |
Jesus, people... be happy he's pushing you up a number. I swear, pilots at this airline are their own worst enemy.
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2024862)
Jesus, people... be happy he's pushing you up a number. I swear, pilots at this airline are their own worst enemy.
People are still mad about the pass. Let it go, lets look to the future. |
Not in this instance, me thinks. My money is on him being a non-ENY troll.
Originally Posted by N12345
(Post 2024856)
Welcome brotha. You will enjoy it here.
These message boards are all sarcasm and doom and gloomers.
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2024862)
Jesus, people... be happy he's pushing you up a number. I swear, pilots at this airline are their own worst enemy.
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Is this a new iteration of Cujo664?
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Obvious troll isn't so obvious to most people here...
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Originally Posted by N927EV
(Post 2025009)
Obvious troll isn't so obvious to most people here...
People are used to trolls around here being smug jack holes. It's hard to figure out what to do with a troll that says nice things. |
Originally Posted by envoy1
(Post 2024775)
That's what the recruiter told us during our pipeline program and it was also mentioned again at the job interview that everything was in motion for it to happen. Not to mention the numerous instances of it being mentioned on this site. I assume that you can get off the CRJ and move to other equipment and still upgrade as soon as it is available?
The flow was also mentioned during the interview that as new 175's come online, it will allow more Captains to flow to AA and create the spots for all of the upgrades. Regardless, I think Envoy is a solid and stable company and I'm really looking forward to getting started! |
Originally Posted by spaaks
(Post 2025637)
Did they also tell you they will pay for a unicorn to give you a ride to the airport every day and give you princess parking?
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January. Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025685)
You gotta go easy on the kid if he is REALLY an Envoy newbie straight from the College CFI flight line (but I have my suspicions elsewhere). The level of intoxication at that stage is enormous and if they told him he'd start crapping vanilla ice cream on the fist day of class, he'd be rushing his first dump of that day just so he can check the bowl. We've all been there. "Some" captain I'm sure told him a fine story as the job of those captains (among other things) is to pump up the newbie not just to want to stay, but pass the training and yes, any post remotely not in the best interest of the usual suspects will result in them getting out their well worn "troll" stamps which they use rampantly whether it truly applies or not. Remember, THESE batch of characters are either part of a specific anti-labor group tasked with psy ops or simply line pilots terminally afflicted with a combination of battered wife and Stockholm syndromes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January. Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes. |
Originally Posted by adspilot
(Post 2025693)
Wow, how do you have the time to come on here and type something so long that no one will read. I got two sentences into and realized how much you sound like my ex-wife. She just wouldn't shut up!
Considering what your post indicates about what you SAY and then what you DO, you're the kind of guy who would stay married to someone you despise because you simply can't make a move for yourself, so I'm surprised she's your EX-wife. :cool: But, yes I do realize some pilots simply cannot comprehend a paragraph or two, let alone read a page in a novel or manual and are essentially knuckle-draggers with the I.Q. of an artichoke and the attention spans of 12-year old girls, so only some here will read my posts. I'm OK with that. |
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I think it's how great he sounds to himself, that's why he writes more than 99% of the rest of the members here. Problem is, he's incapable understanding how he sounds to everyone else.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025685)
You gotta go easy on the kid if he is REALLY an Envoy newbie straight from the College CFI flight line (but I have my suspicions elsewhere). The level of intoxication at that stage is enormous and if they told him he'd start crapping vanilla ice cream on the fist day of class, he'd be rushing his first dump of that day just so he can check the bowl. We've all been there. "Some" captain I'm sure told him a fine story as the job of those captains (among other things) is to pump up the newbie not just to want to stay, but pass the training and yes, any post remotely not in the best interest of the usual suspects will result in them getting out their well worn "troll" stamps which they use rampantly whether it truly applies or not. Remember, THESE batch of characters are either part of a specific anti-labor group tasked with psy ops or simply line pilots terminally afflicted with a combination of battered wife and Stockholm syndromes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January. Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes. |
.....and just like I predicted, the usual suspects (who spend just as much time as me on this forum) slither out to.....................yep, cry to the heavens. It only took minutes. :cool:
Why are the usual suspects so predictable ? |
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Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
(who spend just as much time as me on this forum) http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...82297d178d.jpg |
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
(Post 2025710)
Envoy does not have 2100 pilots FYI. ;)
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2025720)
Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
FACTUAL Answer : NOWHERE. This is just the usual misguided claim of someone who cannot dispute my posts so he seeks non-applicable definitions with which to lament his dismay. Hey, if my posts bother you, why don't YOU just eliminate me from your APC life ? Answer : Because the goal is censorship and controlling what OTHERS say, think or hear. My opinions are just as worthy of this forum as you and the rest of the SOS and it's time you understood that. Don't like it ? Put me on ignore. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025722)
No, what's the exact number ? In past posts I stated approximately 2100 pilots. I'm always willing to be corrected with factual information.
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2025720)
Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
I think that's impossible. 7,003 and counting. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...82297d178d.jpg This is ALL they have. They cannot debate or discuss that which they cannot refute, all they can do is their usual rock-throwing/personal attack exercise in an attempt to drown out differing opinions and dissent. It only took a couple of minutes too. These same few characters are on this forum virtually EVERY DAY now attempting to shout down and gang-thug others who post what they don't agree with. Facts are facts. |
While I have been accused of being a suspect before, I know I am not "usual". So the above comments do not apply to me, nor to my comments.
I would offer up a number just slightly north of 1800 on the number of active Envoy pilots. |
Originally Posted by Jersdawg
(Post 2025728)
The number is 1977 per the latest Union blast. That is a company supplied number.
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As soon as you post something that's actual fact and not your own long-winded inflated opinion maybe there would actually be room for a discussion or rebuttal.
There's no censorship here...that works both ways in case you hadn't noticed. You're just as free to fill the forums with your blather as I am to call bs on it. I'd say feel free to keep posting, but I know you can't help yourself. Usual suspects? You're like those clowns that harass people and play the victim card when they get punched. "It's just a prank, bro!" Put me on ignore. No. |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2025750)
As soon as you post something that's actual fact and not your own long-winded inflated opinion maybe there would actually be room for a discussion or rebuttal.
There's no censorship here...that works both ways in case you hadn't noticed. You're just as free to fill the forums with your blather as I am to call bs on it. I'd say feel free to keep posting, but I know you can't help yourself. Usual suspects? You're like those clowns that harass people and play the victim card when they get punched. "It's just a prank, bro!" No. Facts ? Again, 205 upgrades in 2016 and 250-300 flows in 2016. I cannot state it more factual then that. You say those aren't facts ? Then dispute it with specifics. Your move and please, don't call Jerry. Think and act for yourself for a change. :cool: |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2025750)
As soon as you post something that's actual fact and not your own long-winded inflated opinion maybe there would actually be room for a discussion or rebuttal.
There's no censorship here...that works both ways in case you hadn't noticed. You're just as free to fill the forums with your blather as I am to call bs on it. I'd say feel free to keep posting, but I know you can't help yourself. Usual suspects? You're like those clowns that harass people and play the victim card when they get punched. "It's just a prank, bro!" No. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025685)
Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025774)
In the interest of better accuracy, this must be corrected. It appears the flying allocation IS out for Envoy, but only for 1Q2016. Jan/Feb remains at previous low levels and thus lines will decrease, schedules will remain poor and reserves high. March is supposed to improve though. Since no full year projection was given unlike previous years, it appears either AAG isn't confident enough to place all its yearly chips with Envoy or they are planning contraction and may just not want to beat the bushes to startle the snakes. Most admit Envoy is overstaffed and will contract to a smaller carrier in the 1200-1600 pilot range, so these developments would support that.
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Originally Posted by WorkingUp
(Post 2025784)
I didn't think ANY flying was allocated for 2016. Where is that information usually found?
We just finished the line build for the January, and the challenges that we have faced throughout this year remain consistent: fewer block hours and the company’s headcount projection. Developing a good variety of lines from weak flight files remains the most significant issue. We are not presented with the planned hours... we only receive the flight file and projected hours. The January flight file hours were even lower than projected hours for the month. Both bases are down about 30 lines apiece from previous months. Over the course of the January build we were able to get the line count up and keep some lines with the four-on three-off. In the end, January will look very similar to the last few months. We have received a projection of block hours for the first quarter of 2016 and while January and February remain depressed, March sees an uptick in hours to be flown. If that trend holds true it bodes well for our ability to make better schedules. We are awaiting receipt of the planned hours for the remainder of 2016. If you have any suggestions and concerns, please reach out to us |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025759)
Face it. You want me on this forum.....................you NEED me on this forum, because it is YOU that can't help yourself when it comes to me. :rolleyes:
Again, 205 upgrades in 2016 and 250-300 flows in 2016. I cannot state it more factual then that. You say those aren't facts ? Sounds good. No debate there. See? Wasn't that easy? Short, to the point, and factual. I knew you could do it. Good boy! |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 2025790)
Sounds good. No debate there. See? Wasn't that easy? Short, to the point, and factual. I knew you could do it. Good boy!
Is that small paragraph too long for you or should I draw it in crayon as a follow-the-lines picture ? |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025793)
Same info as in post #511. Your criticism was of facts, not length. I have to admit though, you certainly have perfected the arts of both deflection and evasion.
Is that small paragraph too long for you or should I draw it in crayon as a follow-the-lines picture ? I follow your teachings, O Great One. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2025736)
Fair enough. 205 upgrades/1977 pilots. That's just under 21% of the F/O's are slated to upgrade next year based on 50/50 Captain/FO ratio. If you have a different official number for 2016 upgrades, by all means post that too.
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Originally Posted by shfo
(Post 2025785)
Union email yesterday
We just finished the line build for the January, and the challenges that we have faced throughout this year remain consistent: fewer block hours and the company’s headcount projection. Developing a good variety of lines from weak flight files remains the most significant issue. We are not presented with the planned hours... we only receive the flight file and projected hours. The January flight file hours were even lower than projected hours for the month. Both bases are down about 30 lines apiece from previous months. Over the course of the January build we were able to get the line count up and keep some lines with the four-on three-off. In the end, January will look very similar to the last few months. We have received a projection of block hours for the first quarter of 2016 and while January and February remain depressed, March sees an uptick in hours to be flown. If that trend holds true it bodes well for our ability to make better schedules. We are awaiting receipt of the planned hours for the remainder of 2016. If you have any suggestions and concerns, please reach out to us |
Originally Posted by mr25cents
(Post 2025811)
Is cause of Republic, they are waiting to see what happens with Republic, that's probably one of the reasons they haven't told us much about next years flying. Republic is gonna shrink next year, how much is the question.
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