If by "you" you mean me Mason (since I'm his target, that makes sense), I know you are different people. I can understand your concern though as you seem to have enough trouble as it is with the MEC once again unhappy with your internet behavior and your relationship with many of the other reps on the skids.

I heard you've essentially become persona non-grata with the MEC inner circle now and that was before that critical email to you from the MEC chair was aired on EL today.

It's a very unfortunate turn of events.

Just curious, if you were a CFI with 1500 hours and could go to any regional, where would you go?

PSA of course.

Very much the opposite actually.

PDT or ENY

I don't think its so simple, there is a lot of opportunity out there. I will never argue against the flow, it's great to have. But does it suit everybody, and is it a guarantee? I think we all know the answer.

For example, three of my good buddies from intial long term left Envoy during all the fun we had last year. Two went to a fast growing regional (not PSA) and one went to a cargo company out of MIA now a FO on the 767. The other two are both captains, and one who is a great guy just got hired as a sim instructor at that regional and will make more than our sim instructors. Their resumes are now a lot more competitive than mine.

I'm still at Envoy going on three years still on reserve, and don't break guarentee unless I pick up overtime. Since some on here describe the flow as a guarentee and think it's the only way to a major or at least AA, I beg to differ.

There is a lot of opportunity out there, if Envoy fits your needs the by all means come. But if its because you want a guaranteed job at AA, I would say be careful. Find what you think is the best opportunity and run with it.

Another thing to consider, most captains at Envoy have crossed out any other opportunity out there. They are not applying for LCCs, ULCC, or even other majors. There are a handful I've flown with who are applying for United. I'm dallas based, not sure about ORD. But around here everybody's waiting on flow, which in my opinion slows movement down considerably.

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Can you imaginge a parallel universe in which eaglefly is banned from the internet? What then would he do with his time? :confused:

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Pilotlife4me you'd better be careful posting anything contrary (no matter how factual) to the image being projected by the cheerleaders. They'll have you down in the corner giving you a sock party.

Anything less than Rainbows and Unicorns gets it...

Would you like me to help you fill out a PSA Application?

Oh, so now you are disputing what I'm (we) are saying? Are you all down on the flow now? At least we WERE on the same page.

Let's just stick to facts OK? Like 2.5/6. 40 new Seven Fives on the way with options for 90 more. MIA Satellite. Reserve rules improvement in the works.

Yes, he may need help. Get those apps in with PSA, GoJets or TSA. Somewhere other than here. Guess he's not happy with 2.5 year upgrades and a 6 year flow to the largest major airline in the world.

40 new 175's with options for 90 more. How about that? Potentially 450 extra guys to sit in the left seat of a Seven Five while they await their turn to flow. Which by the way COULD go below 6 years if things work out right. Right now, you can't complain. AAG is doing what they say and following through.

You need help my friend.

People are still going to that sc@b airline? That's a surprise. I figured with all the info out on them anybody who is dumb enough to go already went!

That depends on the needs of that pilot and each pilots values are different. Envoy might be the best choice for someone who desires DFW or ORD as a domicile for whatever reason, though. The key IMO, is for any pilot to make their choices on aspects that are more quantifiable vs. less. Domiciles, history and reputation of the management, scheduling practices for QWL, etc. As for the fastest upgrade, that is a less quantifiable variable that can change in an instant (and has, much to the chigrin of those who have chased them). Same goes for for any carriers claims of flowing to a mainline.

Each pilot should make their own decision and base that on what they value and understand that the promises of today, may not become the realities of tommorrow, especially when attached to any timeline.

Why continue to rake in $xx,xxx/ month, of course. ;)

But, the utopia you desire of seeing others censored simply because you dislike them is but a plane-ride away. Your options include wonderful places such as Moscow, Havana, Pyongyang and Tehran.

What's stopping you ?

I'm afraid here in the good old U.S., imposing your personal desires on others isn't in accordance with our constitution and that is perhaps why you are frustrated with the lack of realization of your Communist philosophies.

Best of luck to you comrade.

We all do, but in my case, it will never be from you. ;)

Well fu(k me running, I agree with you.

Why not, I've been consistant in my position.

If you do some research, someone else asked me essentially the same question perhaps 6 months ago and the answer was the same. I've never implied pilot X or Y shouldn't go to Envoy. For some, it might be the best choice. All I've said is that those attempting to make iron-clad promises in an effort to lure in the simple-minded or myopic are doing a disservice to others, usually for personal gain. Unfortunately, we have a few hystericals here with comprehension issues and selective biases making me to be an Envoy boogyman when that isn't the case.

If a pilot wants to come to Envoy, do it for the RIGHT reasons, not pie-in-the-sky projections which may or may not materialize, at least unless you accept the risk of future disappointment for placing too much weight on promises, especially by ths management . If one wants to get the vibe on life at Envoy and their managements interest in making it a decent place to work while you shoot craps for 6 years or more, I also suggect dropping $5 and see what is being said at Eaglelounge. From my POV, it ain't pretty and that isn't about upgrades or flow, it's about QWL. Due diligence and Caveat Emptor are the best guidance tools IMO.

Even Timothy McVeigh thought he was performing a public service. I think I'll file you right between Timmy and the Unibomber.


Thank you for your service Eaglefly. So far your only insight has been, "yeah but it might not happen" to pretty much everything. I'll think I am going to start looking up good CROW recipes. I can't for your to eat it. Of course, I fully expect you to then say, "Well, I only said 'might'"

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You are currently comparing a forum participant that is expressing an opposing opinion on industry affairs, to known and convicted murderers. I don't care what side you're on or whether or not you're just joking around... this is embarrassing.

Don't push the 2.5-6 until it happens. It's one thing to make predictions, but banking on that expectation?

Don't count your chickens.

No, the only thing I can say is that I think baeed on posts like these, you come across as a certified fruitcake. File me anywhere you please as that is meaningless to me. Any crow cooked up by you will remain uneaten........at least by me. ;)

That's likely just a by-product of uncontrolled and mis-directed emotion. AFAIC, it reflects more about him then it does about me, which is ironic. Clearly, unlike virtually any other member here, this character has a personal obsession with me and I cannot help but get the impression as it's almost as if he sees me as a symbol of all that has gone wrong with his life, whatever that may be.

How long is the reserve time for ORD right now?

Do the hotel rooms apply to commuters on reserve? And if so are they only for the commute nights (night before first day and for late finish on the last day).
Lastly where might i find info about crashpads in DFW or ORD? It looks like a potential newhire is looking at a long (but decreasing) stretch of reserve.

That's a tough question & subject to a lot of variables. My best guess would be at least a year, if not more. The variables are: what aircraft you get, what city you get, how much flying we gain/loose in the future, how many pilots above you leave, and how many new pilots come in beneath you. I would say that the main factor (and the argument on the previous pages) is, how well is the flow to American going to work in the future? One group says the flood gates are about to open, and the other group says it's a fools dream to believe in the 2.5/6 year claim. I personally think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I've been on the CRJ for 2 years and I'm still on reserve & only half way up the list. However, I live in base, so reserve is actually better than a line. I usually get an extra 2 or more days off per month from sitting at home, I pick up extra flying on my days off, I can't remember the last time I was on a 4 day trip, and I spent 2 nights in a hotel last month. Admittedly life on the bottom of the reserve list is MUCH different from those on the top. Life on the bottom is terrible, life in the middle is OK, and life at the top is great.

Hotels are for anyone who needs it at anytime. So don't even worry about a crash pad. You won't need one at Envoy.

Here's how the hotels work (to the best of my knowledge from my saved emails) and they apply equally to line holders & reserve.
1. If you were expecting a hotel room, but get stuck in base due to cancellation, then you get a hotel room. (Does not count towards the 4/month I'll talk about later)

2. If you pick up OT on a day of critical coverage, then you get a hotel room. Technically you only get 1, so hopefully the OT is commutable on one end. I'd find it hard to believe you could put together a day of OT that isn't commutable on at least 1 end, but I suppose it's possible somehow. (Does not count towards the 4/month.)

3. You get an additional 4 rooms any time during the month that you need them.

If you're looking for crash pads, look online. There's a couple of websites. There's also a guy called Mike that runs decent crash pads. His number is seven seven 3 22O 6396. It's very possible that you could get away without needing a crash pad. Especially if you bid for the right trips.

I think the heavy duty pro Envoyers on here get their direction from the Cuj. He ultimately orders the blanket party if said Envoyers don't fall in with the party line.

And don't bother living in base either because they'll just close it and you'll be forced to commute. But hey the hotels are covered.

Are you seriously referring to an E-175 as a "baby 757?" I thought I'd heard everything from you.

At least you have a 2.5 year upgrade and 6 year flow.

Hello All,

Does anyone have a copy of the Envoy Seniority list? I'm curious as to the DOH of FO's compared to other regional. Thanks!

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12 year CAs headed back to reserve flying all throughout the system next month! FANTASTIC! Just remember 2.5 and 5! or 6! or 16! or what the eff ever! Don't forget the overwhelming majority of 72 hour non-commutable 11 day off lines also!

The tide is turning!

IT'S A GREAT TIME TO BE AT ENVOY!

That's not the same guy. 664 vs 665. 664 is someone aping 665.

Why would 12 year CAs be going back to reserve next month?


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