because schedules stink!

That's not possible since new hire FO's are flowing to American in less than 5 years. You better recheck your facts.

It might be 'cause of the holidays: you pick the lines that will allow to spend holidays at home, then if you can't hold those lines you pick the RSV lines that will allow you to get those days off.

Good morning,

Do new hires get to choose whether they want to go to ORD or DFW?

What's the deal with the negotiations about satellite bases? Does it seem like Envoy could return to its former glory and span the majority of the AA network lol?

The bids for December don't close until the 20th of Nov. Nobody knows what they'll be doing next month until then. Don't be a jacka$$.

1. yes you get to choose, but management decides.
2. screw the satellite bases.
3. hahahahahahahahahaha, sorry fell of my chair.

excuse me elephant shi +, but if there are 120 captains and next month you go from 110 hard lines to 70 hard lines the bids dont need to be closed to know upfront there are 40 more pilots on reserve next month. you must have su ck ed in logic in college.
just an observation.

You bid for your base/equipment on day one of Indoc. We are currently in negotiations for a MIA satellite base. This will be a great benefit to our pilots that live in the MIA area. As for Envoy returning as carrier of choice for AA. It's already happening. AA continues to reward us for our professionalism and performance. You may even see the Seven Fives (175's) in ASE as we are the only wholly owned capable of flying in there.

Our 2.5 year upgrade, 6 year flow to AA and new 175's coming online make us the undisputed choice for anyone looking at a 121 job. I've even heard some LCC guys were considering jumping back to Envoy because of the strong flow we have and relationship with AA.

this guy/girl is not the real Cujo. get your own name so people can take you seriously.

cujo 664 is a liar. 1. most miami pilots are gone, moved or flowed. it is a management excuse to get something to correc t there screw up from closing envoy miami base. 2. yes envoy is authorized to fly into ase, the e175 does not have the performance for this so it will never go there. 3. we are not getting block hours back, our schedules still stink. we are swapping out block hours is what is going on. 4. oh yes, the guys that left envoy for southwest and jet blue are wanting to come back to envoy at the bottom of the list so they can flow to AA because. if that was true, i would go to PDT, i would flow years ahead of a newhire at envoy.

Quit playing games. This guy is laying it on a little thick to mess with Cuj665. Do not drink what 664 is having! The Satellites are being negotiated. I think they are far from anything that would pass a pilot vote

Where are 70hard lines?

Ord CRJ -107 lines
DFW E145 - 183 lines
Ord e-145 - 171 lines
CRJ Aspen - 9 lines

sorry, should have stated first EXAMPLE in quotes, to answer there question how would one know before the bids close how many are on reserve.

That's not accurate.
It's for before or after your trip
Anytime you misconnect and get stuck in base
Before or after blocks of reserve days
Before or after Critical Coverage Open Time
And up to 4 commuter hotels per month

The end result is unless you are doing airport standby you typically do not need a Crashpad. Even if you did have to buy a few hotels a month yourself it's still cheaper than a Crashpad.

Add $2,500 to your salary in savings and much less stress

You know he's not me right?

it may be a very mini A318 but in no way come close to being a baby 757.
just in looks the e175 loses, never mind all that power the B757 has.

If there were ever a regional "757" it would be the 700. The engines on those are de-rated as it is and it still out performs everything. Imagine if they let those things loose. That would be some fun flying. And useful for those low-speed events Skywest was having....

Quick question if someone would be kind enough to look up the answer for me. I was a March 2011 CRJ new hire and left Eagle about 2 years ago. Just curious how many numbers I would be away from holding captain or if I would still be on reserve. Thanks in advance.

it's still around a 8 year upgrade. I have a buddy hired around the same time you were. Holds reserve, and the occasional composite line. He did get a hard this month, but he will be working over thanksgiving.

Can anyone ballpark the cost of insurance for a family of 2? Also, curious how long it currently takes to hold DFW? I realize it may change when the new airplanes come on line.

You are still 1.5-2 years away from upgrade and about 1600 out of 1900ish.

No, I was comparing eaglefly's overall actions to have a similar psychological profile as was found the in the case of these two individuals. You see, someone can have a psychosis and not be a murder, just as a murder may not necessarily have a psychological abnormality. You attempt to simplify the matter into a simple difference of opinion, whereas the entire point of that post is that this "difference of opinion" goes much deeper than a simple single dimensional comparison.

Try to stay with me here. Psychologists found that McVeigh, despite whatever vale of justification of his actions as an act of justice, his true deeply imbedded motivation was anger and his desire to lash out due to that anger. My implication was that despite eaglefly's claim that he is just a realistic guy taking time out of his day to perform a community service that in reality, he is bitterly anger that his career and life did not turn out as he expected and he blames Eagle and Letter 3 for his unhappiness. The idea that some young pilot could come to envoy today and be at AA in 6 years infuriates him and he does whatever he can to derail that.

When you take a close look at his posts, he repeatedly shouts the message that there is no guarantee but refuses to acknowledge that no job at a regional is a guarantee in the current marketplace. As if envoy is the only company whose business plan and upgrades are dependent on new hires. He repeatedly claims that Parker will stop the flow if his regional staffing becomes critical but fails to offer a basis for his claim or rebuttal for substantiated claims otherwise.

Just as McVeigh's solution to his unresolved issues was to execute an indiscriminate weapon on destruction on individuals who were not associated with the cause of his frustration. Likewise, eaglefly vendetta against envoy, its pilots and the management teams of his former and current employer shows the same indiscriminate destruction against individuals that he should empathize with rather than detest.

What is truly embarrassing is that you failed to look beyond a simple direction correlation and that my post had to be explained to you. Perhaps you would be better to spend your time with activities better suited to your intellectual capabilities. Maybe you can bring your Legos and coloring books over to eaglefly's house and play. Don't worry about coloring inside the lines, all that matters is you try. You will be rewarded and praised either way.

Medical- depends on the plan.

For Employee +1 about:

$185/mo PPO2500

$235/mo PPO1500

$339/mo PPO750 (Lowest deductable, lowest out of pocket costs)


Dental is about $17/mo for Employee +1

Thanks. Any idea on how long to hold DFW?

For single people wondering, figure about half of that..

No idea. Probably not too long with the movement, lots of DFW FO's continue going to the 175, it should open up slots on the 145 eventually. Unless you get the CRJ. Then it is ORD only. You would have to wait for a displacement to get out of that aircraft. We have been having one or two or so a year lately, but they are completely unpredictable as to if/when.

12 in last class. All ORD I think.

Correct, I think it actually is exactly. My wife and I are on our own separate insurance plans. She gets really good coverage at her work but it is only single or family - no +1 option. So putting me on her better coverage is about 3 times (since it assumes family of 4). Putting her on mine would give her less coverage.

Now I don't care who you are, this right here is damn funny. You made my evening, Joyce Brothers. ;)

Do you even know what a jihad is? What does my assessment of your motivation for a smear campaign against envoy have to do with waging a holy war on infidels? You know if you didn't spend so much time stewing over how your life turned out, you could learn about this stuff. :cool:

Maybe if certain individuals stopped obsessing over places they don't work anymore this conversation would be more worthwhile.

You're right. It doesn't help that I poke the monkey. I'll stop engaging him.

Two great belly laughs in one night !

I must be dreaming. :p

My life is fine. No regrets in the last decade. Believe anything you wish, if it gets you to sleep at night.

Sweet dreams.

1.5 yr minimum.

You troll the Envoy forums because you missed out on what's happening now. In your day, you were flying turboprops at $50/hr for a Capt. You just got lucky with the flow.

Now, Envoy's interview is essentially an AA interview. Once you hire on with Envoy, you'll essentially be an American Airlines pilot from day one of class. With 40 E-175's and 90 options, you may also be flying a mainline aircraft, not a "puddle jumper." Also, with a 2.5 year upgrade and 6 year flow the landscape has totally changed. The smart guys are coming to Envoy and you just can't accept that things are working out here.

I'm sorry things didn't work out as well for you as they are now for ALL Envoy pilots. But that's the way things work out sometime. Others are able to put it behind them and move on, some aren't. The old AMR did things differently than AAG. With AAG, you can't count on management doing what they say they are going to do. So far, that's exactly what's happened here.

Is anyone on this thread a part of or product of the instructor pipeline program?