Oh, the irony brings me to tears.

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Seriously doubt anyone from RAH is jumping to envoy. RAH had 14 new hires in class this week alone, and once again a handful of them were ex-envoy people. That's pretty much double the most recent envoy new hire class at a place going through bankruptcy... Enough said.

Yes, I think you are blinded by many things. ;)

If you are going to make stuff up, why don't you embellish a little more. 100 New Hires this week! All former envoy!

Why would I make it up. Numbers are on the company intranet page. As far as the ex-envoy guys, just have to walk through the training center and say hello to the new guys getting coffee to figure it out.

Jesus. How full of crap can people be?

Nobody from Envoy is dumb enough to go to RAH right now, cancelling everything left and right, during bankruptcy, shedding aircraft and about to stagnate with absolutely nothing to offer over being here. Sure, that is a believable story. :rolleyes:

Wow! You sound even dumber here than on EL.

Gee, yet ANOTHER new poster from Envoy who mimics his hero's inability to discuss issues and only hurl insults. :cool:

But in your case, since you freely admitted on Eaglelounge tonight that your only reason for starting an account here was to "make fun of eaglefly", it's of little surprise. A pretty feeble effort though if I do say so myself. Based on your admission of your motive for coming here, one can truly label you a troll.

I do understand your frustration though along with others in your little fiefdom as unlike Eaglelounge, it seems more difficult to "run off", silence or censor those you disagree with here. Nice try, kid.............but your missile missed it's target.

Better luck next time. ;)

Na. Sry. You do sound dumber. See my join date? Oops. So what's your new screen name on EL? You call me a troll but you just blaired to the world that all you do is bounce between here and eagle lounge blasting envoy.

I have an honest question for eaglefly, and I would like if you answered it truthfully. Which regional would you go to right now, Republic or Envoy?

I sure did see your "date". That's why I termed you a "new POSTER" (a half dozen posts in two years) and not a new member. Perhaps it's YOU that is the dumb one as you can't even decipher my statements ?

I'm Dumb ?

Dude, the term is BLARED !

Why don't you go back to EL. Obviously, you're out of your league here. :cool:

Lol. You are funny when you're angry.
So ya bla bla bla. Just wanted everyone to know you aren't associated with envoy and any info you have is no more than any other non envoy employee. Bye

Eaglefly....you didn't answer my question.

...and that would be ?

Post #2073.

Sorry I missed it. I was too busy throwing sticks to a clumsy young pooch.

My honest answer is that it depends on the pilot and what's important to them and how they rank the value of various risks. Republic is in BK, but in all likelihood they have assets and market share that is valuable, not to mention aircraft. It appears Delta is protecting that from the advances of others, especially AAG and so pilots there won't likely lose their jobs (especially with a pilot shortage). Advancement is a wildcard and that cannot be predicted. If I were a pilot already there, I wouldn't leave just yet (laterally) as that show hasn't played out enough to warrant the risk of starting over at another regional.

Envoy has definite benefits in a flow-thru that DOES exist, but the timing will be unpredictable. Envoy also has a transitional problem in that it appears they will have serious difficulty going forward without gradual contraction. But, I wouldn't leave Envoy laterally just yet either for a theoretically faster upgrade. Commuting is a BIG deal and if I lived in or was within driving distance to either of the two carriers domiciles, that would be a major factor as I believe uprooting one's life for any regional carrier considering their fickle existence (which is sure to get worse) to be a major stressor. No easy answer to that question though. Personally, I think most pilots are predisposed to go in certain directions and it would take something significant to alter their primary target when it comes to regionals they are considering.

I don't know if this answer has much value for you, but it's the best I've got and just my opinion. Any choice made could be a boom or a bust and what looks good today can fall apart tomorrow.

[QUOTE=eaglefly;2098556]Sorry I missed it. I was too busy throwing sticks to a clumsy young pooch.

Lol. I got bored because you can't keep up.
And that last post was such terrible advice I wouldn't call it advice. You were asked a question And You stated what everyone knows.?
As usual. Nothing new.

There obviously is no moderating on this board with the perpetual flaming and trolling from two or three who admit they don't even work here. Just stop quoting them or engaging them. Without an audience they'll eventually go away.

You don't see former Mesa, or RAH pilots coming back to these threads with non-stop bashing everything about their former airline. Yet these sad pathetic trolls are tolerated by the MODS in the Envoy threads.

Just stop quoting them so the rest of us don't have to read their dribble; then put them on ignore.

* Only post for today.

I would argue that the "perpetual flaming and trolling" is directed AT myself (and others), not COMING from at least myself. In reviewing yesterday's latest dust up here, I simply questioned and disagreed with a new members philosophy that it is acceptable for "fake posters" (TOS violation ?) and "cheerleading" to occur to JUST get people in the door at Envoy with no scrutiny as to the representations to do that. He doesn't even work here.........well, considering his philosophies and the history, he very well might, but I digress........In every post after that, I couldn't find one where I was "bashing" Envoy per se, it was virtually ALL self-defense rebuttal to flamers and trolls targeting me from the usual crowd with a new addition who even freely admitted to engaging me over on EL, solely for the purpose of flaming and trolling ! I guess blatant admissions like that and the subsequent action of doing that are acceptable because its from a sympathetic source ? In fact, in one post I disagreed with another that Envoy was a "sweatshop" and still another a question was asked of me that demonstrated I don't think pilots should leave Envoy laterally just to chase upgrades.

It seems now once again, a member of the core group at Envoy in addition to misrepresenting what I say (non-stop bashing of their former airline and a product of erroneous emotional perception and not reality), is attempting to goad the moderators into censoring non-Envoy pilots off of Envoy threads or even the forum as if only flamers and trolls can be non-Envoy pilots on Envoy threads. If we stop the personal attacks and discuss the issues, I think most of this nonsense would stop. Even respectful disagreement can occur. That's how it SHOULD work. Since selective censorship is being advocated here, then another option would be to remove the conflict and ban any more Envoy threads. I don't think that's the right tack, but if selective censorship is acceptable to some, it's worthy of consideration. I have no problem with the mods putting Envoy thread participants on close watch to ensure no violations of TOS occur like personal attack, name calling, outing, etc. Perhaps it's time ? Providing factual information, reasonable discussion and even respectful disagreement without all the emotion is the goal and I totally support that, while demographics of the member or even number and length of posts shouldn't really have any bearing on the topic or issue, nor be the foundation for attack.

Perhaps it's you and your Envoy Patrol that puts out the dribble. You should give that one some thought.

How are things coming with the iPads? Still carrying paper charts?

When will a MIA base open?

Ipads are being sent to pilots already. New hires yesterday received theirs.

Makes me wonder if the moderators have something to do with this agenda against Envoy. It's obvious that eaglefly, ag386 and a few others have a daily mission of making defamatory allegations agains Envoy and its pilots. Moderators do nothing to control this, Instead they ban all who are against this guys.

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We will take you more serious if you were proficient in the English language...😏

I see the type of trash that moderate this board (if you are a Mod)

After they renegotiate the reserve rules.... So never.

I hope you are not a Mod who actually says those things...but Ok, I'll try to put this as eloquently as possible. And I'm honest to God trying not to be combative.

We get what eaglefly's point is. He speculates-his opinion-that Envoy's flow will stop in the future for reasons A and B. Ok, got it. He made that point over and over about 2,000 posts ago.

The fact that he keeps hammering away daily is a problem. The fact that he doesn't work at Envoy is an even bigger problem. And the fact that his continued beating of a dead horse causes every single thread go kaput is the biggest problem of all. And where are the Mods in all of this? Nowhere to be seen.

Before you play the victim card again, eaglefly...you are entitled to your opinion. It's just that you have already made it. Another 5,000 posts from you working people up is not required. Another 5,000 posts of you passing your opinion off as facts is really off base....and seeing as how you DO NOT work at Envoy it would be prudent for you to back off. I would never dream of going to another airline's thread I don't work for and pulling half the stunts you do with Envoy. And the same goes for your gang of ag386, sayalt, and others who don't work here.

Don't try to manipulate this situation as you always do by claiming it is Envoy pilots who try to pass opinion off as facts. That is your signature manipulative move and it's rotten. If an Envoy pilots presents the flow numbers as they exist, that is a fact. If you don't like the numbers, it doesn't make them less true. If an Envoy pilot can look ahead and count how many pilots are above him and use basic calculations to predict when he will be at AA, those are facts based on the current reality. Again, just because you don't like it doesn't make it less true.

But I digress. This is my one and only attempt to reach eagefly on a serious level. It's probably a complete waste of time. An even bigger waste of time would be asking the Mods to do anything about it. I'm starting to believe that whomever runs the Regional board is part of the group who has it out for Envoy. There is no other explanation for letting this nonsense go on.

I'm with you on this 100% and I don't even work at Envoy. I guess is just a matter of time to see if there are any legal implications on this actions.

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I myself am a former "Air Scuttle" pilot. I do agree Mesa is worse than Envoy. However, what I also understand is I've been at Envoy going on 9 years. My observations over the years show that Envoy about to turn the corner of JO's wonder-world Rock and Roll emporium. Seriously, the guy is something else. I sometimes wonder if DP got his DWIs after leaving JO's nightclubs. His idea of employee Christmas party has go-go dancers, lots of booze, while their pilots scrape by each month. BTW, I remember getting the "Christmas Card". I remember some Mesa pilots doing some questionable things with that card. (It's a family picture, for those who don't know.)

Constant contract violations, lack of communication to schedulers for trades, swaps, drops. Denied pvds. The list goes on. The only thing that sets us slightly higher is the pay and iPads.

You mean like "take" being the verb and "serious(ly)" being the adverb? Oh wait.... Um, yeah.

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I'm at a loss for words, finally. The stupidity and juvenile behavior here over the last week is completely mind boggling. I'd use stronger language, but the mods have seen fit to penalize profanity yet permit domineering psychopathy.

I don't claim to have clean hands, I've slung my darts, but holy ***k you people take the cake. There's no doubt that regardless of who the other players are there are only a *very* few participants the problems continually revolve around. It's an embarrassment and stifles fair discussion.

Cool, but have you guys gone paperless on the line yet? Or do you still have to carry your kit bags in addition to the iPad? It took us about 4 months from start of tablet issuance to finally going paperless here at XE.

We are transitioning to mostly paperless. iPad mounts are being installed in the cockpit right now. We are also getting QRH's installed in the aircraft. I'm not 100% on what will be left for us manual-wise at the end of it all, but our current iPad setup already has everything in it. Checklists, MEL, manuals, Jepps, performance manuals. It's all in there.

We have been carrying only iPads online for a few years now (under the voluntary program). Using our own personal iPads and mounts. I haven't carried any paper for at least 2 years, probably longer. I can't remember.

The only people that have to continue carrying paper are those who aren't in the voluntary iPad program. I see very few people anymore that carry paper over the last year or so. Maybe 1 in 10?

The rest of us just will have to carry both iPads for another month or so. Stupid, but it is what it is.

We dropped paper years ago. Or atleast people had the option to drop paper. Now the company is providing ipads and ram mounts. Coming in a couple weeks all we need to bring is check list ipad and the paper WB if computers fail.

Thanks for the info! Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

Well, I thought I'd be out until very late, but no.......

Honest to god, I will try to reach you on a serious level too and not be combative, but disagreement is not combat.

I looked over my post history on this thread and saw very little of "hammering away daily" at Envoy projections or flow claims. I had to go back 16 posts to find a reference. The posts after that were all defensive in nature from several individuals with the same history, so that claim is not supported by the facts. This forum has a universal philosophy of not limiting anyone from posting in any forum, yet for some reason you and others want special control to decide who does and does not post on a thread with Envoy in the topic. Envoy pilots post on other forums and I don't see that same demand made elsewhere by others to the degree it is made here, if at all.

...and you are not playing a victim card here ? You and others also have made their opinions known repeatedly, yet you demand carte blanche to do so unfettered and unquestioned ? I don't see this as a forum rule. I'm sorry. Apparently, you consider questioning what is represented or defending myself from what can only be considered an onslaught of personal attack as a "stunt", but that can be viewed equally in opposition to you and others as well.

Yes, you can make those assumptions, but others are just as proper in questioning them as that....assumption, as when looking forward into the future, there is no such thing as fact. It's done on other forums and Envoy isn't special......or is it ?

It sounds like our ability to communicate might indeed be a waste of time for both of us. You know, in the past, one tack has been to accuse my of being a conspiracy theorist in some of the things I see on these Envoy forums, but now you imply the mods now are part of some group that has it out for Envoy and I think that is seriously misguided. Perhaps they are simply allowing free discussion of issues and topics and not succumbing to demands for censorship of people who have points of view that annoy others ?

In the interest of diffusing the situation, why don't we ALL simply avoid discussion of projections and assumptions regarding upgrade and flow as it seems to be the basis for conflict which some simply cannot tolerate ? Hard information that is undisputed and has already occurred should be no problem as who can argue with that ?

I'm trying my best to minimize conflict, but I cannot agree that some members demanding others be "run off the forum" like that advocated at EL occur here. It simply isn't fair.

Wow. :cool: