As there are probably only 6-8 people that actually work at Envoy here on this forum, that puts you a 100% B.S. rating in their eyes. You were laughed out of Eaglelounge for the same reason. Most Envoy people are either there, or on various Envoy FB related pages, where you can't hide behind fake names and people tend to be less of a "message board internet expert of all". You also don't get invited to these groups unless you ACTUALLY work for Envoy.

Just sayin how I see it sport. Let the personal attacks and wild accusations commence in 3-2-1->

There's more then that, there's the many more Envoy pilots I personally know and talk to that are more then your clan. The point is, THAT is the problem there and one you will NEVER solve, because too many of your clan won't acknowledge it in the first place. "Laughed" out of Eaglelounge ? I laugh at that. Speaking of "standing behind fake names", why don't you show us all a little backbone and stand behind that which you ridicule ?

What is YOUR name ? That's right, you're not going to reveal that, Mr. Pot. :cool: You get a GOLD STAR for hypocrisy today, Mr. Pot.

Personal Attacks ? I'm afraid in addition to your myopic hypocrisy, we can add denial to your resume as the personal attack dept. is OWNED by your clan. Just sayin' how I see it, kiddo. ;) Virtually ALL of you group of back-slappers are incapable of rational discussion about the issues there and either exist in a state of Battered Wife Syndrome, Stockholm syndrome or both.

How can we have a rational discussion with someone that doesn't work here. You don't work here go to the american forum
:rolleyes:

It all hinges on YOU DON'T EVEN WORK HERE!

I sure hope you never post in any forum other than Envoy slim.

My point exactly. :cool:

Some of you guys seem to live in your own little bubble (a dysfunctional and disturbed bubble for sure) where you think a rational discussion about Envoy can only occur among those that work there. This forum is FILLED with threads discussing X, Y and Z and by people who don't work there and have valid points-of-view, but Envoy threads (and Envoy) seem to include a different breed of pilot.

To me, it's fascinating. But, as long as you guys target me instead of discussing issues, I'll be here to respond to each and every one of you racking up the posts to your chagrin. Stick to the subject matter and you'll hear far less of me. ;)

I don't live in my own Little bubble I work you don't.
I would not recommend anybody to came here now until they fix many things, I can say this because I work but you don't.
So don't came here to tell people what you think is going to happen
because you don't work here. Go to the american forum where you belong and let the people that work here tell others how terrible this company is.:cool:

That would be fine if it happened with any regularity. Unfortunately, you have the whack jobs on the Envoy Patrol singing the company praises here daily in an attempt to drown everyone else out.

Serious question...if it was up to you that envoy succeeds in their plans as stated, or fails, what would you choose? I ask because if you answer how I think you will, your true character will show.

The serious answer is that I would want the flow to succeed as advertised. For all of the Envoy pilots who deserve their chance to flow after putting in so much time being mistreated.

If I really thought it would succeed as planned, I would have never left the place.

Whether you believe I worked there or not, I did, but it doesn't matter. I worked there much earlier than I actually posted I did initially and spent 7 years of my life there. I am very aware how they promise you something and never deliver. Good news just around the corner only to be let down or put off a few more months and the cycle repeats.

I just don't believe that the flow is going to work as advertised, mainly due to not being able to get enough new hires but for other reasons as stated previously as well. When I state these opinions, I am immediately attacked as one who doesn't work here, doesn't know jack ******, dumb a**, etc.

After my time at Envoy, I just can't see how anyone really believes management is going to follow through. Especially looking at the situation myself and performing some basic math skills on pilots leaving and pilots coming in. It's very hard to believe that some of these hardcore pro Envoy types actually are so on board with management and the program.

Your right it doesn't happen very often but it happens.
What you have to understand is that those guys that said good and bad things about this company they work here,but you and eaglefly don't . So why don't you go to your company's forum and tell others how good is your airline.;)

Can anyone that knows share what the overall pass rate for new hire training at Envoy is? Washout rate?


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I don't know exact numbers but the washout rate is very low. I have been through I don't even know how many long term trainings with new hires here and can only remember a few that didn't make it over many years. New hires bust Type rides or Orals here and there, but to completely wash out is not very common. Now with AQP training on the 175, it has gotten quite a bit easier than the old way as well where you had to basically know everything for an oral, because they could literally ask you anything, and the old TYPE ride has virtually no room for errors, Basically 2 hours of being nearly perfect through everything thrown at you. Things have changed for the better with the E175 AQP training though.

It's always obvious too the first week who is going to struggle or bust something. They were either odd ducks who you could tell from day 1 that they would have trouble, loners who didn't study with the rest of us, or stubborn people that just wouldn't listen to the advice of people who have been doing this for a long time and thought they knew best. They spent their time focusing on the wrong things and refused to take any advice.

If you are dedicated to making it, work well with others and listen to the advice of the senior classmates and instructors who have played the training game before many times. You will make it through just fine. The majority of people here always are willing to help each other out.

Anyone have any info on the training pay situation at Envoy? Single/Dbl occupancy hotels, Per diem, Able to commute home on weekends? thx

Double until after indoc, then single.

I don't recommend travel on weekends. Getting stuck and not making it back to training is a bad thing. So is going somewhere full of distractions and nit studying.

-Training Pay is 64hrs of pay rate + 16hrs per diem a day. = around $2500 a month after taxes and deductions
- Single occupancy
-you can commute home once your Cass is approved for other airlines. If is AA/Eagle I believe you're set the first week, not sure.

After the first week they will send you home for 2 weeks. That's time to work on the CBT. So I would stay the first weekend since next Monday or Tuesday you are going home.

They will positive space you back and forward for those events. If is on the weekends you're on your own.

They will also positive space you wherever the company needs you in training.

I wouldn't concern yourself with the washout rate. I honestly have no idea what it is, but have only heard of a handful who have washed out in the past year. If you come with a good attitude you will do just fine. From speaking with one of the recruiters, the people they have had issues come here thinking they are owed something from envoy. This is directly attributed to the job market being very pilot friendly right now. What I mean is that because every regional is hurting for pilots, there are some who don't take the training seriously, because they know if anything happens they can be in class the following week at Mesa, Republic, Skywest, etc;

Just come here prepared to put your nose to the book and you will do just fine, all the while learning a lot from some great instructors. Ask questions from current pilots who are down there in training and they will be more then willing to help you. Our ancient computer system (SABRE) can be a little tough to navigate at first, but it's easy to figure once you get the hang of it. Non-rev travel on our internal website is incredibly easy to figure out. Any more questions, feel free to ask. If you sift through the snide comments by pilots who don't work here, you will be able to find a lot of useful info on envoy on here. Things are finally starting to look up and if you live in ORD or DFW, or are at least a one-leg commute to either, I would highly recommend coming here. Good luck.

Hello I'm looking for some advice. I moved to the DFW area for a job and I'm looking to join the Envoy family this summer. My question is should I give up my apartment and use the hotel during training? Giving up my apartment would allow me to save some money but I was thinking about keeping it if I end up with double occupancy during training. I like my own personal space but I did here that it goes to single man occupancy after the first week. I'm starting to make my plans now because I don't want to have to rush to pack up my belongings. I'm hoping to get based in DFW if I'm lucky enough. I would love to be based in DFW and its only a one leg flight home whenever I have the time to visit. Thanks so much for your time.

While I definetly recommend staying in the hotel during the week, I would never tell someone to give up their apt. Training isn't really that long anyway, not as long as it used to be. Double occupancy the first week will go by in a breeze (although maybe during this time staying in your apt would be ok). As long as you don't get the crj, getting Dfw based shouldn't be a problem. Good luck, you're getting in at a time that's better then pretty much everyone on property!

Giving up your apartment for that short a time period isn't a very good idea.

Training is pretty quick 5-6 weeks. What happens if they have a delay between ground and sim and send you home for a while? They also send you home for a week or so to do CBT after indoc. They send people home in the middle of sim for a couple days also. I guess you could stay at the Holiday Inn Bedford during CBTs with nobody else in your class there but that would really suck. It's good to be able to get the hell out of there every once and a while. I would go nuts living in that hotel the whole time. People do it though.

Where will you put all your stuff if you move out, storage? Then having to find a new apartment, new lease, new deposit as soon as you finish training and will be busy with your new schedule. Really not worth the hassle I wouldn't think.

Anyone who's been hired recently care to share what the interview is like? Standard panel, written test, sim eval format? Also live in DFW and may be looking to jump from XE in the near future.

New Envoy Information
 

Just saw this in company email.



Wednesday, March 23, 2016


Envoy to participate in AAG Profit Sharing program

Envoy team –

I’m pleased to share some exciting news from American Airlines Group (AAG) that will directly benefit our employees.

Today AAG announced that it is establishing a new profit sharing program for employees of AAG companies – including its wholly owned regional carriers. Effective with its 2016 earnings, AAG will set aside five percent of every pre-tax dollar earned each year into a profit sharing pool, and that pool will be shared among all participants (excluding management levels 5 and above).

This new program applies to U.S.-based Envoy and Eagle Aviation Services, Inc. (EASI) employees, as well as international Envoy and Executive Airlines employees, except where prohibited by law. Unlike our past profit sharing programs where payouts were based on Envoy financial results, this program will pay out based on AAG’s annual performance. For more information, refer to the FAQs posted on my.envoyair.com.

Like Monday’s announcement that American will be placing five additional aircraft with Envoy in the coming weeks, our inclusion in this program demonstrates the value our team brings to AAG and ensures that our people share in the company’s success.

Thank you for all you do to provide safe and reliable service to American’s customers every day. Together, I know we can look forward to even more success.

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But, I thought we didn't make a difference in everyday operAAtions to justify profit sharing?





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Standard interview is usually a sim. It consist of basic stuff (takeoff, track a VOR, a hold, and a couple of approaches). They send you a packet prior with limitations and call outs. A tech interview. One on one. What would you do, jep symbols, etc. And third, a typical HR. As prior 121 I believe you only need to do the HR interview.

Based on the newest preliminary award the new junior CA is a 3/08 hire. That's about 40 pilots to go until the upgrade drops from 8 years to 6 years.

Is the bid out?

I don't see anything. Not on jetnet not on alpa.

Unofficial reports leaking that it hit March 08 guys. If so, the next upgrade bid will jump all the way to May 2010 hires..and the pilot group there is pretty thin until you get to fall of 2010.

It went 3 pilots from the bottom of March 08

Confirmed...March 08. Should be out soon...A little over 70 new Captains and only 15-I think-backfills.

How big is the next upgrade bid? I missed that announcement.

It doesn't exist.

What you've read above is just speculation.

I know...guess I didn't lay the sarcasm on strong enough :p

Yeah, there will never be another upgrade bid. You're right. How did some of you make it out of grade school?

Feel free to point out where I said there would never be another upgrade bid.

I do take issue with you painting speculation as fact when you have no idea how many vacancies the next upgrade bid will contain.

Congrats to those Envoy pilots who finally get that fourth strip. 8 years is way too long considering the competition. Two more of those and they will have met the 205 forecast for 2016.

It doesn't matter how many the next will contain. After the March 08 hires the next person is May 2010. Period. The most junior person who just upgraded is March 08...so the next person to upgrade is?

Is this difficult for you?

That's incorrect. The next person to upgrade after 03/31/08 will be from the 4/14/08 class. There are 51 pilots between March 2008 and May 2010. Source: unofficial seniority list updated 3/16/16.

Really? What about the April 14th and 28th and May 12th classes in 08. Then the March 15th 2010 and then the March 29th 2010 then April 12th and 26th 2010. Then May 2010. Period.

And from past experience DO NOT get excited about upgrading at this company until you are dropping the brake on your first trip after your fed ride. It took me 827 days from being awarded to dropping the brake.

Great. That counts me out to getting DFW.

I'm sorry that happened to ya, but I think it's fair to say that at the present time, things are much different then have been in the past.