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06-11-2022 | 03:58 PM
#6941
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it’s part of the CBA. All the way through 2029. The only thing that short term is the premium pay of 150% across-the-board
06-11-2022 | 04:09 PM
#6942
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
The thing to remember is 20 year CA after 2 years is only 147/hr. Much better off at an ULCC.
06-11-2022 | 04:30 PM
#6943
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FOs start at $60 with basically a $7 increase when combine year over year and next step.
The big premium is the 50% for for the next two years.
The other big one is if you get to captain and finish your fifth year with it flowing you go to 20 year pay scale. Which for the next two years is at least $214. That rate will snap back Aug 2024 to $147.50.
The big money is being an LCA. AAG finally decided they needed to keep those folks to keep the airline afloat when things cools down. And they will.
06-11-2022 | 04:38 PM
#6944
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06-11-2022 | 05:41 PM
#6945
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From: Whale FO
06-11-2022 | 08:04 PM
#6946
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This just improves the lot for those who planned to go to AA anyway to not try and jump the flow, or if AA was a strong option, but not a MUST.
May keep a few more as lifers if they want to do training or just not want to start over. Basically those 55 plus-ish.
Bottom line is if something else works better for you in the long run, you’re still going to do it.
06-12-2022 | 05:48 AM
#6947
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Good stuff you’re smoking there. This doesn’t benefit anyone unless they’re about to leave for a major or about to flow. Still, you make more at any major, certainly after 2 years. Not to mention, its not a regional. After 2 years you’ll be back to low pay. At the majors you’d be pretty senior or upgrading at that point. Unless you are really set on flowing, you’d be crazy to give up on 2 years seniority at the majors to stick around at a regional.
06-12-2022 | 09:04 AM
#6949
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So I heard/keep hearing that the goal is to keep regional Captains long enough to take a new hire from FO to CA, which they estimate to be 2-3 years. If they can keep a Captain for 2 years, give them a flow date 6 months out, they system sustains itself. Add that to the 5 flow year language in the CBA extension, and it theoretically makes sense. Does anyone think that 5 years will be a real, accurate number? For example, a 3 yr FO upgrading this year, will actually flow in 2 years (his 5th)..... or do you think that at year 5 everyone will be disappointed at the lack of flow and then end up at Delta/United/Fedex?
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