This just in.......

Ric Wilson says, "We cannot release more than 30 due to operational necessity. Flow and attrition rates currently exceed our new hire rate. Our surplus is quickly depleting."

Taken from Eaglelounge from one of the DFW reps.

If they are claiming we are understaffed with zero-time lines, minimum to below guarantee lines, and reserves flying ZERO hours, at what point are we properly staffed?

envoy management has shown their hand that they have no intention to follow any agreed upon contract or award. Choose wisely if you have any desire to "flow" because their illustrious recruitment tool appears to be a farce.

My points exactly and simply reporting the FACTS as they appear. Anyone here is free to review this thread say, 2 months back and you'll find MULTIPLE posts from the salesmen how 30+/month (360+/year) WILL flow to AA in 2016 (in fact, Sky even went so far as to claim ALL Captains with flow selection will be gone by end of this year) and according to MikeFox Envoy is not overstaffed, but they are just "front-loaded" to cover supposed planned increased attrition later in the year.

Well, the latest update confirms those claims are now inaccurate (I knew that all along and have said so :cool:) and in fact, according to the above are UNDER-staffed for future anticipated attrition and thus that is why they are withholding to minimum flow rates. It sounds as if they anticipate a downturn in new-hires, as well. I think that's probably likely as the cadet programs don't put out regular consistent bodies, but are grouped around graduation months like early Summer and end of year for availability a month or two later.

The important point to note is that things change quickly and yesterday's claims are tomorrows disappointments, at least that has been the history at Envoy. Those who've been selling those claims are now finding it hard to dispute the facts and thus I anticipate a new and improved smokescreen must be devised.

How many pilots flowed in the month of January?

Instead of flow through agreements, the focus should be on better pay and better benefits for the Envoy pilot group. Frankly, that should be the focus at all contract carriers. There would be no need to obsess over flow through if pay and benefits were solid. Last time I checked, we operate these airlines in the same airspace, same weather conditions, under the same regulatory environment, and with the same required emphasis on safety. The folks I fly in the back of my jet also fly on mainline.

Of course you're OK with it, you've been selling it and standing behind "their" math for months now. I've been saying their math is fuzzy since Summer and you bend over backwards to dispute and attack that and now this statement ?

Folks, you just can't make this stuff up...............well, apparently some try their best though. :rolleyes:

It isn't a surplus of you can't let the pilots go.

But apparently DFW alone has a mind-boggling near 50% reserve coverage with many hard lines built to the low 60 hour range (down in some cases to 11 days off to boot) and you defend the premise that they "can't let the pilots go" ?

YGTBFSM ! :eek:

To pour salt in the wound, according to a union source, it appears that not only did management NOT notify the Association before releasing the latest information, the Association believes that management IS NOT............repeat, IS NOT honoring the flow agreement. It would appear that you are living on a different planet then the rest of the Envoy pilots, including the Association.

Reserve coverage is not "near 50%". It's in the mid 30s.

Is that consistent in all domiciles ?

Most carriers operate with less then that AND have hard schedules built to at least 75 hour averages. Combine the two and the claims is they cannot release another 5 pilots/month ?

I consider that smoke and mirrors, fuzzy math and undefendable excuses.

Hey eaglefly, you sound like you work at Envoy. Are you really employed by American Airlines (mainline ops) right now? I'm not even refuting what you are saying, but you seem to be a current Envoy pilot. This is not hate message or anything, I promise. Just asking...