No, not an Envoy pilot. Actually, I never was, I was an "American Eagle" pilot, but that carrier is no longer, both in name and spirit. Still know people there who deserve better and it appears they are still being jerked around by just about everyone, including a few of their own pilots here. I just think any pilot who is considering Envoy should get both sides of the story and another POV, but obviously some there don't like that. At least it appears more and more already there are starting to get the message, especially considering these latest statements from the company and the union.

Yeah, it looks pretty tough out there for Envoy, but so does almost everywhere else. Full disclosure, I'm with RAH, and even though the current contract is far better than the last one over here, we are still not doing as well as I or others would like to see. I'm not even rooting for any of these airlines in particular, but I think all the flying at the regional level should go back to mainline.

Sorry, you were an envoy pilot...because American Eagle its just a brand now. So it doesn't matter you were still part of this company.

Well that was just about the dumbest "I know you are but what am I" post that I've ever seen. How about back to the reality of the **** poor direction our management is leading this company in. It beats trying to tirelessly defend their actions or petty name calling.

Sorry, but no I wasn't. The airline I worked for was American Eagle Airlines, Inc. and was more then just a brand name. That has since been dissolved and the carrier you fly for now is the "brand name" sharing it now with other carriers. Most of the employees (especially pilots) are gone now as is most of the management. The "union" there is also comprised of virtually all different people.

I know misery loves company, but that won't bind me to your present disaster as much as you obviously want it to. Your assertion DOES provide an interesting footnote though and that is in all the recent interaction I've had here with perhaps a half-dozen of you characters (who are really not representative of Envoy pilots as a whole), you and your cohorts have lost no opportunity to proclaim me someone who is NOT a part of "your" airline and thus have no right to comment on what I don't know about and yet now here you are in perfect flip-flop fashion making the opposite argument when it serves your immediate needs.

Epic fail. :cool:

So, why are you so interested in Envoy? It's not the airline you worked for so you just randomly selected an airline you have to right those you feel are wrong at? There are a dozen other regionals out there, you dont comment on them? Is it the "I have lots of friends still there" argument? You must have friends at other airlines you care about. You dont comment on them - at least to the extent you do here.

You admit it is not the same airline you used to work for so Envoy is just as important to you as say, CommutAir or GoJet. You agreed that most of the employees (pilots) are gone. The union is completely different. You are right - Envoy Air is NOTHING related at all to the AFKA "American Eagle Airlines".

Then why are you so interested then? It takes about 20 seconds to see you only post in Envoy threads with the occasional AA thread - you know, the airline you work for. So you clearly have an obvious obsession of this airline that you never worked for.

People generally ignore you - I do for the most part so if you stopped posting, no one would miss you. Yet you keep posting, again, at an airline that you do not work for nor have you ever worked for. That would be like me going to a Compass thread and EVERY DAY posting controversial topics (true or false) and wondering why there is so much distain

That's system wide. The target is upper 20s and industry average is lower 20s.

Why some of you people keep asking this same question repeatedly when I've answered it repeatedly would normally indicate illiteracy. However, in this situation we know it is not that. We know it is instead the complete absence of any coherent argument otherwise. You'll note I say "we" because others DO consider my points as evidenced by their responses.

Perhaps what you repeatedly demonstrate is simply a latent symptom of the battered wife from Stockholm syndrome so prevelent there ?

So, almost a 10% overage in reserves and at least that and more underage in average line values and still they claim they must meter below 50% ? Add to that both part-time lines and zero-time lines and that dog won't hunt.

I'd expect more unhuntable dogs in the future if I were an Envoy pilot.

That is a complete mischaracterization of what is happening. I don't know who you are, but I can't believe that a current Envoy pilot would make light of management's failure to completely honor the flow through.

We know that they treat the contract as optional whenever it suits them, but it appeared that they would honor the flow, since it represents their entire recruitment plan. I guess we were wrong. Potential new hires should probably take note. The flow to AA is a promise made by people with a history of bending the truth. Trust them at your own risk.

This is a sad day.