FlameNSky

AA has 11 ( ELEVEN ) regionals providing lift for them. There are no regionals they can hire from without "canabalizing" their regional lift. The flow isn't some side promise from AA. Its a contractual item, they have no choice to decide to just stop it. Just as a company wouldn't just say, "Hey, lets not send out the paychecks this week" they can't just decide to stop the flow. Endeavor is offering $20K yearly bonuses, RAH is offering decent wages, and envoy is offering the flow. If either of those companies stop offering their particular "incentive" regardless of the reason, their staffing situation will get worse very quickly. To speculate that AA would stop their flow because of staffing shows that you haven't given the matter much thought. A good comparison would be when a student pilot might start pitching up from best glide while practicing an engine out maneuver thinking that they can stretch the glide to make the field. On the surface, its sounds reasonable but when you really look at the overriding laws of nature, you realize that such a course is a fatal mistake. Fortunately, the Executives at AAG have a better understanding of the pilot HR economics and would never make such a foolish mistake. Expect to see greater financial incentives offered in addition to the flow as envoy's staffing becomes "critical".

emb145

Bw ha hahahahahaha. You're either really funny or really gullible.

SqueeG

What is the current expected reserve time at Skywest? Also, how long to get IAH as a base?

I heard Compass is at most a 2 month reserve. Is that accurate?

Thanks.

FlameNSky

Well, Parker was able to get you to do exactly what he wanted you to do. How is that lateral move working out for you?

TogaParty

CRJ: MSP and ORD are the 2 junior bases. You might spend a month on reserve in Minny and around 2ish in ORD before holding a line.
E175: It'll probably be a few months if not a bit longer before being able to hold a line in ORD since a lot of current OO CRJ Pilots are bidding over to it causing you're relative seniority progression to be a lot slower as compared to the CRJ

As of right now the most junior IAH FO has around 7 months with the company.

emb145

Call it lateral if you prefer. Finishing second year at LCC and 2015 FO pay very slightly exceeded 9 year Envoy CA pay. Work rules and QOL far exceeds Envoy. Just can't believe I didn't do it sooner.

Sit around ENY and rot under those work rules and horrid pay while you wait to flow for that legacy seat if you like. You might be waiting a long time. I highly recommend a lateral move to a LCC.

Skyvector

Let's see you have that same attitude in about 3-5 years when you are desperately trying to get hired on at a mainline carrier. Meanwhile everyone at Envoy who was at your seniority and junior has already flowed to AA.

Save your "the world can end tomorrow and therefore the flow will stop" excuses.

N927EV

Haven't read the rest of the thread, I'm sure it's mindless banter and my regional is better than your regional attitude. But, it's simple, really. Where do you live? Or where do you want to live? Choose the regional that answers that question. Either one isn't a bad pick IMO.

tinman1

I agree with the above statement, but there are many going to WOs just to get a piece of that flow action. The main problem with a flow is that it eliminates the screening process at the supposed height of one's professional career, and you have characters who would be otherwise not hire-able slip through the cracks. Whether it be due to qualifications (i.e. no college degree), skeletons in the closet, or odd personalities that don't jive well with others, these types are now going to be sitting in ground school at AA alongside street hires with very impressive resumes.

I'm not knocking the WOs. I've got friends at all three who are great pilots and would end up at the majors regardless of flow, but I also know guys/gals employed at the WOs who would not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting hired at the legacy carriers unless the standards are greatly reduced. And American is doing just that by inviting in whoever ENY, PDT, and PSA can scrape up at the current regional hiring standards.

Coneydog

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't WO'd screening applicants based on mainline criteria? I thought that was the case.