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ag386 12-17-2015 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by cali2797 (Post 2029511)
Here is Rick's latest:

"With very reasonable assumptions, a new hire today is currently projected to upgrade to Captain in two and a half years – and flow to American approximately six years from hire."

I think your reading comprehension needs to be examined.

A...new...hire...TODAY...is...currently...projecte d...

Not someone hired 3 years ago.

I think your situational awareness skills need to be examined. He can PROJECT all he wants. If he doesn't upgrade 700 plus pilots from FO to Capt by mid to late 2017, there ain't gonna be a 2.5 year upgrade for a new hire TODAY. If you are an Envoy guy, pull the seniority list yourself and see. It's BLACK and WHITE. There's no way possible for it to happen unless you see 700 plus upgrades over the next eighteen months.

moon 12-17-2015 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2029429)
If I don't at least get off reserve soon, I'll likely not be able to hang on even if the flow was 6 years. It's just too brutal.

Not to take away from your epic rant, but you decided to be on reserve in December, there were more than a handful junior to a May of 2013 hire, that held a line in all bases and equipment.

Skyvector 12-17-2015 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2029523)
Not to take away from your epic rant, but you decided to be on reserve in December, there were more than a handful junior to a May of 2013 hire, that held a line in all bases and equipment.

Whoah, careful. Bringing actual facts to this thread will get you labeled as a "goon" by people who don't work at Envoy...I wasn't going to even bring up what you just did...I was actually enjoying watching this train wreck and was waiting to see what the end goal of this person was.

Bottom line is that if things were as bad as he claims he could have left long ago. By his own admission leaving Envoy for another Regional would be worse. So what exactly is the point of this thread? Just the epic rant of a very angry little person with a frustrated life.

FlameNSky 12-17-2015 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by emb145 (Post 2029477)
Here they come. The Envoy police. Going after one of their own no less who posts what's really going on behind the doors at Envoy. Eaglefly is right. You guys are just a pack of goons.

How do you figure.? I merely suggested he take control of his own life and pursue whatever course he thinks will meet his life goals.


Did someone get his whittle feelings hurt?


BTW: If I'm an envoy police officer... that would make you part of the Ex Wives Club, wouldn't it?

AdiosMikeFox 12-17-2015 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2029396)
Your frustration is understandable. You realize though you just put a bulls-eye on yourself for saying this, yes ? The facts you present don't matter to a small, but quite savage pack of jackals here as it is not in-line with their interests. That being said, I think both the upgrade and flow will likely happen in the future for you if you stay long enough, just not in the timelines being suggested, especially the upgrade.

Good Luck on wherever the future takes you.


What a load of carp.

A pop up poster, long-time lurker with nothing good to say pops up and the second vulture lands on the tree next to him with a friendly cackle.

People who frequent this board are illiterate, or as eaglefly is so fond of stating, they ignore everything that doesn't fit their conspiratorial agenda.

Anybody with half a brain can search these boards and find out exactly why the projections are what they are, the associated potential points of failure, and what reality will most likely deliver.

No s hi t there's no 2.5 year upgrade. Quit and get re-hired so you can restart the clock and get it. NOBODY hired last year will see a 2.5 year upgrade. NOBODY.

MAYBE some hired in 2016 will.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Anybody make some extra popcorn? No, never mind. I've seen this movie before and it sucks.

FlameNSky 12-17-2015 10:17 AM

Damn it, AMF! I told you to post that after dinner. You were too quick. Now everyone is going to know the super secret conspiracy that eaglefly was so smart to have already figured out, the clandestine branch of the Secret Service charged with ensuring the belief in aliens and envoy's flow. We are doing really well on the aliens thing but we are really dropping the ball on envoy. Darn, eaglefly and his super intelligence.

EchoEcho 12-17-2015 10:29 AM

Hey look it's bzzt reincarnated! Anybody remember reading that guy *****ing about his life decisions and how Eagle didn't live up to his expectations? What ever happened to him anyway? I hope he found happiness
I think it's a good thing that this guy transformed into a poster from a lurker. It's important to have a balance between the kool aid drinkers and the nay-sayers that actually work at Envoy. Now back to lurking for me

ag386 12-17-2015 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2029523)
Not to take away from your epic rant, but you decided to be on reserve in December, there were more than a handful junior to a May of 2013 hire, that held a line in all bases and equipment.

One. December is a month where you just don't know what you will get due to people trying to get Christmas off.

Two. I bid reserve lines with Christmas off first to be home with my kid.

boiler07 12-17-2015 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2029516)
I think your situational awareness skills need to be examined. He can PROJECT all he wants. If he doesn't upgrade 700 plus pilots from FO to Capt by mid to late 2017, there ain't gonna be a 2.5 year upgrade for a new hire TODAY. If you are an Envoy guy, pull the seniority list yourself and see. It's BLACK and WHITE. There's no way possible for it to happen unless you see 700 plus upgrades over the next eighteen months.

"Unless you see 700 upgrades" - You said it yourself.

They may or may not put out the vacancies.

However, 700 upgrades over 18 months equals just over 38/month. The training center is quite capable of those numbers as they had well in excess of that every month in 2011.

It's far from "black and white" as you put it.

eaglefly 12-17-2015 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2029542)
What a load of carp.

A pop up poster, long-time lurker with nothing good to say pops up and the second vulture lands on the tree next to him with a friendly cackle.

People who frequent this board are illiterate, or as eaglefly is so fond of stating, they ignore everything that doesn't fit their conspiratorial agenda.

Anybody with half a brain can search these boards and find out exactly why the projections are what they are, the associated potential points of failure, and what reality will most likely deliver.

No s hi t there's no 2.5 year upgrade. Quit and get re-hired so you can restart the clock and get it. NOBODY hired last year will see a 2.5 year upgrade. NOBODY.

MAYBE some hired in 2016 will.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Anybody make some extra popcorn? No, never mind. I've seen this movie before and it sucks.

The jackals have all arrived as expected, are ravenously circling their prey and one has just shown his fangs to lead the kill. :rolleyes:


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