You mean like when I respond to your question with a specific and VALID answer, you characterize it as "fluff" ? AAG isn't trumpeting the 2.5/6 claim, Envoy management is, thus AAG or AMR isn't the issue with Envoy anyway, so asking me for examples of the color of my apples, when its oranges that apply is pointless. Even so, I proved my apples are red regarding AAG. I'd appreciate it if you stop mischaracterizing virtually everything I say.

I'll also make one more addition. Don't forget that pretty much all of the guys in the 824 don't have their apps out since they are relatively close to flowing. However, almost every CA outside the 824 almost certainly does. My point is as we move forward into 2016 and 2017 as well, I wont be surprised to see more and more CA move on to whatever companies their interested in flying for.
This too I believe is also in AAG's computations. I think that's where the large disparity between what we all believe to be a more realistic number and what AAG is saying. They have best case scenarios built into their computations when that's probably not the case.
I'll say this much for either you guys who are here and are Jr. FO's or are considering coming here. While theirs plenty to complain about envoy and I wouldn't disagree for the most part, one thing we have is a set attrition that as of now AAG has honored and doesn't seem to show any signs of letting up. That is real movement that will IMO continue. Like I've said before and I say to the FO's I fly with. Stay out of trouble, put your apps out to whomever you want, and worst case you have a flow in your back pocket. That's not a terrible deal.

Yeah, eaglefly. If I had just been epically and massively trolled in public I would be really angry as well. Go ahead and let it out. Call us all the names you want...get it off your chest. This thread has been the most amusing thing I have seen all day.

It's been beyond amusing watching you run around like a chicken with its head cut off, skipping with glee thinking someone who fits into your narrative had arrived on APC...only to witness the disappointment in finding out he doesn't work here and was only trolling.

Poor eaglefly. I don't blame you for being angry. Go ahead and let it out. Call us more names if it makes you feel better. Sprinkle in some of your favorite smiley faces...you know. The one with the shades and the one where he is winking. It'll be all better by tomorrow.

Good luck guys.

Good Luck!

The fluff was your opinion at the end.

The "them" I was referring to was Envoy management put in place after the AAG transition. I made that clear in the next post.

I didn't ask for fruit that only applied to you at mainline. I agree; that's pointless.

What did I mischaracterize?

I work at envoy and I have seen it massively deteriorate over the last 2 years. Schedules are horrendous. In the past we have had a great amount of variety with day trips, 2 days, 3 days, and 4 days. We now only have 4 day trips. 90% or more of those trips are a waste of time blocking 50-70 hours and getting credit for 72. Nearly half of our pilot group is on reserve. The company arbitrarily decides to give 4am raps to reserve. They decide to close bases on a whim and then realize they want a temporary satellite base to cover flying that was given away.

I am sorry to say that I would not recommend any of my friends to come here at this time. The only glimmer of hope is that American will continue to hire and this flow through will start to create some movement.

The first thing I noticed was the most junior CA he said was off.. anyone that works here looking to upgrade knows what the last vacancy award said.. and where it is posted to check it. Then he was still on RSV.. (but not really) because he BID it.. now his DOH doesn't even match up.. lol

I think Eaglefly created this new user name to continue trying to scare off new hires and have one person on here that actually agrees with him. Himself.

People also tend to forget we will conservatively be losing 500+ pilots in 2016.. 300+ to flow and at least 200 other FO's and CA's.

They just said they plan to take 90 flows in the first 90 days of 2016. That's 30/mo. Fleet count for 2016 is almost flat without any more big shrinkage. That = rapid movement. Finally..

haha...yep!

I wonder if Jace knows that some weirdo is using his identity online to try and bash Envoy.

Just some more food for thought for everyone. I do agree that the 2.5/6/7 (whatever it currently is) is possible, however our management does need to do certain things to make that happen.

With that said there has been some interesting developments over the past 2-3 weeks. We are anticipating losing between 90-120 Captains for the 1st quarter of 2016 just to flow.

At the welcome party for 175, Pedro did say "... when the Compass 175s arrive." Not if, but when. They could be a slip for ESL or it could just be a slip.

The delivery schedule for the 175's is being accelerated. As of tomorrow, 18th of December, we will have 4 on property, the first one arrived 3 weeks ago. We are only supposed to take delivery of 2-3 a month (depending on the month) we are doing almost 50% more right now.

It's my understanding that if you are part of the 824 the training department will not hire you to be a IOE or a Sim instructor as they anticipate you being gone in 12 months. That's 400+ Captains leaving in 12 months just for flow. That's 25% of the list.

Everything is not roses here and that's not what I'm saying. Our reserve system has been abusive at best and downright hostile and aggressive with there practices. Not necessarily the individual schedulers, but the rules they have to implement forced down upon them from on high.

We have been led along with carrot that most of us realize is to far away to get all the while we are being beaten with a stick. But there does appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel.