I don't want you to do anything.

I'm simply pointing out that your actions don't support your "unbiased" presentation of yourself.

So when we strip away all of the fluff from your suggestion, you want management to lay out a detailed plan on how they are going to follow through.

While the lack of a public plan is certainly disconcerting, it doesn't prove, or disprove, their capability to follow through.

I agree with your sentiments about the long list of unrealized promises. However, the majority, if not all of those items, were put on that list by AMR and not AAG. Since that change over I can't remember them promising something and not following through. Maybe you'll have some examples.

Your opinion is noted. Of course, being criticized for being biased by those with bias themselves is..........well, something that is frequently said to occur on a stove top. :rolleyes:

It's nice to meet you.

That suggestion was "fluff" ?

The latest example of AAG not following through was a blast by APA to us today regarding 2016 vacations. If you want to continue your kabuki dance that Envoy is different from everyone else, even including AA in the "following through" dept. by AAG, knock yourself silly, but it sounds as though you already have. :cool:

eaglefly I hope you realized you have just been trolled to the max degree. This entire thread was started by someone who doesn't even work at Envoy and who was just trying to stir the pot with lies.

No surprise you come diving in like a giddy school girl. Time to rethink your priorities.

Like I said, you might have some examples. Clearly I didn't know that one because I'm not at mainline. Shocker, right?

I stand by my previous post with this correction: I've yet to see it at Envoy.

And no, that doesn't make Envoy special or different. I'd appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth and concentrated on what I was actually saying.

I'm seriously concerned about you as one pilot to another. Hopefully your career will soar beyond your lofty expectations.

However, I'm afraid it may not get off the ground. I believe that an easy diagnosis to what you have isn't Stockholm Syndrome. That's where you identify with your captors (in this case Envoy.) You sir, have Envoy Syndrome. That's where you not only identify with your captors and feel sympathy for them. You actually become your captors and after spending many years thinking in their mindset, your mind turns to complete mush and you are totally incapable of rational thought.

Example, 10 years down the line "or" for your benefit "SIX" years down the line (so you don't fly off the handle again) you actually are given the opportunity to flow through. Instead, you and your cronies stand outside the Envoy HQ in Irving chanting "Hell No We Won't Flow." Why? Because you are so ingrained in thinking Envoy is your world and how good they've been, you don't want to make the move now.

Right now though you are similar to a highly emotional 16 year old. Someone talks bad about your girlfriend and you and your goon squad immediately head over to the perp and go all out mouthing off threatening this and that.

Similar to what's happening right here on APC eh? Hopefully you won't develop full on Envoy Syndrome. I'd like to see you in the right seat of an AA jet in about 10, oops, 6 years.

I'm not going to defend the 2.5 upgrade since I too think it's a "perfect scenario" that probably won't come to fruition. I will however say this. The 2.5 for a new hire to upgrade that AAG is using as their promo is not assuming ALL FO's on property remain. In fact AAG has a set number ( I haven't a clue what it is) of X amount of FO's leaving per month/year. So you can't really look at the current FO list and say 700 can't upgrade in that amount of time because probably a quasi large amount are moving to LLC/majors. I haven't read that in the previous posts so I felt that is at least worth mentioning.

LOL !

Actually the opposite occurred, where just as I predicted, the Envoy jackals of APC couldn't stay away when they smelled fresh meat. It is immaterial for our conflict purposes as to whether he is really an Envoy pilot as he spoke like most of the ones I hear from. I simply made one response to him that not only was was supportive assuming he was, but also emphasized the validity of both the upgrade and flow there, IF he stayed long enough.

However, all I had to do was acknowledge the behavior of you jackals and even with a relatively POSITIVE post about Envoy, I knew with certainty you'd ignore that just as you distort, misstate and bastardize everything I say and congregate and circle like the ravenous beasts you are and tear at any flesh you could get.

Face it...........you guys (and again, it's a pack of you that aren't strangers) are totally predictable. You couldn't NOT be the jackals you are. It's simply in your nature and I know you can't ignore any meat put out for you.

You.......ALL of you, proved that in predictably spectacular fashion. ;)