Retention Bonuses at Envoy
#101
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Discussion OF THE TOPIC is "hijack" ?
Here we go, someone with only personal interest lobbies AGAINST critical discussion of the thread subject to maximize their personal interest.
I'd argue it is you that has hijacked this ENTIRE FORUM !
Here we go, someone with only personal interest lobbies AGAINST critical discussion of the thread subject to maximize their personal interest.
I'd argue it is you that has hijacked this ENTIRE FORUM !
#102
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TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING REALLY IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM
This seems to upset you greatly, but perhaps that's because your focus is solely upon yourself ?
What emotion? Would it please you if I were frothing at the mouth while typing out a reply? You're so gonna be disappointed.
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I'm sure some others will have something of interest to say (even if they disagree with me), so I'll check back later. Meanwhile...........carry on with whatever.
#104
We don't need to ride the stall into the ground before we approve changes at envoy. AAG will quickly realize that this bonus will attract a few and keep a few, but will not effectively stop attrition. QOL improvements and not violating the contract would be a more effective tool for retention. At the same time, it would be stupid to leave free money on the table, when you know AAG will need further improvements to envoy shortly thereafter. IMO the MEC did a good thing for FO's. We have not lost leverage for taking money on the table. Don't get it twisted beaglefly!
#106
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This is soley a recruiting tool not a retention tool. Endeavor's is more of a rentention payment as well as recruiting tool because it might make CA's think twice before hopping to Allegiant or some other ULCC/LCC allowing them to keep more pilots on property and grow the airline.
With that said it IS something. They will come back to the table when it doesn't amount to what the thought it would.
With that said it IS something. They will come back to the table when it doesn't amount to what the thought it would.
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We don't need to ride the stall into the ground before we approve changes at envoy. AAG will quickly realize that this bonus will attract a few and keep a few, but will not effectively stop attrition. QOL improvements and not violating the contract would be a more effective tool for retention. At the same time, it would be stupid to leave free money on the table, when you know AAG will need further improvements to envoy shortly thereafter. IMO the MEC did a good thing for FO's. We have not lost leverage for taking money on the table. Don't get it twisted beaglefly!
In the interim, it has the most potential benefit to the company as it gives them a chance of avoiding a Summer meltdown in their staffing/flying and kicking the can longer. The longer they avoid a crisis, the less likelihood of having to face the pilots and offer true value. If I were them, a Fall meltdown is better then a Summer one when travel is far more active and so I would be thankful if I were Envoy management for this gift from the MEC to assist their interests.
Of course, I'm sure they knew exactly what the MEC would do when asked and thus, the beat goes on. Has that beat changed its tempo in the last 20 years there ?
Nope. It's just a new group of dancers now and thus they too will have to dance to an old tune that always ends on the same note. Enjoy !
#109
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This is soley a recruiting tool not a retention tool. Endeavor's is more of a rentention payment as well as recruiting tool because it might make CA's think twice before hopping to Allegiant or some other ULCC/LCC allowing them to keep more pilots on property and grow the airline.
With that said it IS something. They will come back to the table when it doesn't amount to what the thought it would.
With that said it IS something. They will come back to the table when it doesn't amount to what the thought it would.
In other words, I think it likely the Envoy pilots by virtue of once again being played will have ended up getting 25 cents on the dollar in return, instead of much more value by moving the crisis time line forward...............well, actually only half get the 25 cents, the rest bupkus.
#110
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In fact, just say........late last year, many were jumping up and down claiming just how AAG/Envoy was living up to their promises, "things are different this time" and optimism abounded. Then, when that didn't occur (like so many times in the past), they sank into depression in the last month or two crying to the heavens. Now, the SAME hand is played that has been played so many times and what happens ?
Boom !.........another meteoric emotional rebound of irrational exuberance. Up, down, up, down, many Envoy pilots go like a yo-yo, completely oblivious to what is happening and why. What you're seeing is simply a re-run, nothing more, nothing less, but with each climb of the yo-yo, they forget the past and everything and think it is some final positive change and they've once again (for the umpteenth time) have "turned the corner". It truly is quite a schizophrenic existence and IMO, that is why there is so much of what you see from some of them on this forum. It eventually does screw with the mind of some who get to a point they cannot see reality any longer who live in (and even embrace Stockholm style) the warped relationship. IMO, this is what guys like Glass specialize in, that being controlling the minds of your adversary, much like the philosophies of Sun-Tzu.
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