Retention Bonuses at Envoy
03-02-2016 | 07:09 AM
#112
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How are you feeling today? Are you hung over after partying the night away with FlameNSky and RyanP? I'm sure you guys had toast after toast celebrating this victory to trump all and validate your claims that "Truly, Envoy Is THE Greatest."
In the end what's been offered here is good, yes. But look at it. It's 20k to current FO's over two years so they hopefully won't bail.
I'm with PilotCrusader. Jetblue or another LCC offers even an Envoy Captain a much better overall pay structure in addition to being treated like a human being.
In the end what's been offered here is good, yes. But look at it. It's 20k to current FO's over two years so they hopefully won't bail.
I'm with PilotCrusader. Jetblue or another LCC offers even an Envoy Captain a much better overall pay structure in addition to being treated like a human being.
03-02-2016 | 07:31 AM
#113
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This bonus is only designed to two things.
1. Keep more envoy FOs from leaving.
2. Poach other 121 pilots. The timing of this seems to target Republic pilots.
This fails to attract new pilots. I don't see this bonus having the desired result management is looking for. Older FOs will still continue to seek to move JB Spirit Virgin or Majors if they are lucky. Newer FOs may stay if they see they will get off reserve quicker.
The main complaints we have are still here and need to be addressed.
I'm definitely excited about getting the bonuses but there is still progress to be made.
1. Keep more envoy FOs from leaving.
2. Poach other 121 pilots. The timing of this seems to target Republic pilots.
This fails to attract new pilots. I don't see this bonus having the desired result management is looking for. Older FOs will still continue to seek to move JB Spirit Virgin or Majors if they are lucky. Newer FOs may stay if they see they will get off reserve quicker.
The main complaints we have are still here and need to be addressed.
I'm definitely excited about getting the bonuses but there is still progress to be made.
03-02-2016 | 08:27 AM
#114
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From: CL-65
This bonus is only designed to two things.
1. Keep more envoy FOs from leaving.
2. Poach other 121 pilots. The timing of this seems to target Republic pilots.
This fails to attract new pilots. I don't see this bonus having the desired result management is looking for. Older FOs will still continue to seek to move JB Spirit Virgin or Majors if they are lucky. Newer FOs may stay if they see they will get off reserve quicker.
The main complaints we have are still here and need to be addressed.
I'm definitely excited about getting the bonuses but there is still progress to be made.
1. Keep more envoy FOs from leaving.
2. Poach other 121 pilots. The timing of this seems to target Republic pilots.
This fails to attract new pilots. I don't see this bonus having the desired result management is looking for. Older FOs will still continue to seek to move JB Spirit Virgin or Majors if they are lucky. Newer FOs may stay if they see they will get off reserve quicker.
The main complaints we have are still here and need to be addressed.
I'm definitely excited about getting the bonuses but there is still progress to be made.
03-02-2016 | 09:36 AM
#116
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You keep right on being awesome.
03-02-2016 | 10:56 AM
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I'd love to continue a coherent discussion with you on the topic, but it seems we have run dry as your only reply now is............well, this. 
I'm sure some others will have something of interest to say (even if they disagree with me), so I'll check back later. Meanwhile...........carry on with whatever.
I'm sure some others will have something of interest to say (even if they disagree with me), so I'll check back later. Meanwhile...........carry on with whatever.
03-02-2016 | 11:39 AM
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03-02-2016 | 12:31 PM
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I'm on the PILOT side. But, astute pilots (now being a sought after commodity in short supply) now more then ever have to consider the realities of a specific situation that affects their future and hard questions need to be considered and explored even if unpleasant. It still sounds as though you are on-board with ANYTHING that maximizes YOUR flow to AA, even if it's bad for others or the industry.
Are you arguing that present Envoy F/O's or other pilots SHOULDN'T consider these difficult questions (regardless of how they themselves factor them in and act upon them) and just become (or remain) mindless robots batted around by others like a cat does a stuffed toy ?
I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm simply A. assessing the situation how I see it and B. suggesting that potentially affected pilots think outside the box TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING REALLY IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM instead of being unthinking marionettes for the interests of others.
This seems to upset you greatly, but perhaps that's because your focus is solely upon yourself ?
Are you arguing that present Envoy F/O's or other pilots SHOULDN'T consider these difficult questions (regardless of how they themselves factor them in and act upon them) and just become (or remain) mindless robots batted around by others like a cat does a stuffed toy ?
I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm simply A. assessing the situation how I see it and B. suggesting that potentially affected pilots think outside the box TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING REALLY IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM instead of being unthinking marionettes for the interests of others.
This seems to upset you greatly, but perhaps that's because your focus is solely upon yourself ?
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