The things they are doing like this are really not philosophical changes about how pilots are viewed by management there IMO, they are developments that are designed to meet business needs and likely temporary. As such, while it does have potential to have ancillary benefit to some pilots, it isn't flushing that turd away to truly change the perception of the toilet in question by those who encounter it.

If Envoy is indeed at some form of significant disadvantage as it appears to be, that even the existence of a flow-thru cannot change, it would indeed appear to be that Envoy is in real trouble in the future as it's a reputation issue. That can only be corrected one way and it would need to be aggressive. As each month goes on and the other regionals without flows are running perhaps a couple of hundred pilots into their classes combined and Envoy gets a handful, if that, the well dries that much quicker and the pool shrinks significantly.

It's very possible that ultimately, it may be too little, too late and this time the game of "kick the can" has broken the foot of the can-kicker and although he can still stagger and hop forward, he'll eventually flop over or seek treatment.

 

I thought you were a "true believer" and follower of this guy's philosophy and a full fledged member of the Envoy Patrol?

 

With this announcement alone AND with a 3 to 4 month halt in flows from Envoy for Letter T returnees, I would expect December would be the last class Envoy would truly be able to flow 30, if they took that many for quite some time.

If this BIG ANNOUNCEMENT is even more frames, you may even see the flow restricted starting in October/November depending upon other attrition rates and also the ability to bring new hires in. Which obviously ain't happening in the numbers you need.

Looks like the SS Envoy is taking on water fast and it's starting to sink.

 

Big news better be them running separate classes for flows throughout the remainder of the year to make their flow targets. A few extra aircraft coming back aren't going to make enough room for the advertised upgrade numbers. I don't see anything on the horizon that will dramatically improve our schedules overnight.

Do tell what this fantastic news is going to be and how the company will manage to screw something else up in the process.

 

Would they merge all WO's again. Would that manage the bleeding??? I went through the first one. Dont wish that apon anyone...

 

Possible. But they'd lose a considerable amount of the ability to make us fight amongst ourselves over the scraps AAG hands out if they did.

 

Don't tell the PSA guys because they're a little butt hurt right now, but if they can't step up their game, CRJ700s are coming back to you guys.

Congrats on the news today, glad things are turning around for you guys!

 

I am still trying to figure out how your costs allow you to be competitive with Mesa, as Mesa operates on razor thin margins. Weren't you guys considered a "cost center", not a "profit center"?
Well in either case, it seams you have the same number of aircraft as Mesa, but about 600 more pilots than Mesa.
It very well could be about who has the most pilots, not about performance, or costs.

 

Continuing the flow even with Letter T pilots would indeed be pretty big news for those who would flow. But still, I don't see that as something tangible that would attract others. It would also mean faster contraction further impeding the almighty upgrade that pilots seem to chase the most.

 

I assume you mean PSA Managment is Butt hurt. Most of us pilots don't care and have no desire to step up our game. We all know that the sooner aircraft start to park, the sooner DP will do something to fix the situation, or we can all go to other airlines.

So take the 700s, heck take some 900s. It will be the Ceo and the DO that will be out of a job when it all ends, not the pilots.