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eaglefly 03-27-2016 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by diva (Post 2097619)
More growth at Envoy. Announcement to be made soon.

Good news, but not necessarily growth. The only way Envoy can sustain growth or even maintain present footprint is via 30-40 new-hires/month consistently and so far that necessary component has not materialized. More E-175's should surprise no one though as Envoy is slated to add those and transition older, smaller jets out over time.

SayAlt 03-27-2016 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by diva (Post 2097619)
Envoy to retrieve the 20 E-175's from Compass


"Envoy to retrieve..."

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TillerEnvy 03-27-2016 04:10 PM

Darn it...if it wasn't for that dumb thing called a contract that CP has with AA. Oh well.

Fpmx772 03-27-2016 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097638)
Those planes are AAs, Parker need to make his WO attractive. He already said that if is cheaper to make it in house that's the way to go. Bringing those 175 in house it's a way to attract pilots.



It's not about the performance, is about the price.



Nice argument but new hires don't go to a Regional based on a plane....they go for the base and then money...unless Envoy takes back LAX from us I doubt taking those planes away and staffing them in DFW or whatever other base they want to open (MIA rumor) will attract new hires....

SayAlt 03-27-2016 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 2097643)
Darn it...if it wasn't for that dumb thing called a contract that CP has with AA. Oh well.

Yeah. That's why I'm laughing so hard. Nevermind the contract in place.

It's AA who owns a bunch of the Compass 175s, not Envoy.

But the title implies that Envoy pilots think of themselves as AA pilots. Hence, "Envoy to retrieve..." (vs. "AA to retrieve...") ...as if Envoy owns them!

I bet at least 1/2 the Envoy pilot group tell people they meet that they fly for American Airlines.

Cracks me up.

PilotJ3 03-27-2016 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Fpmx772 (Post 2097646)
Nice argument but new hires don't go to a Regional based on a plane....they go for the base and then money...unless Envoy takes back LAX from us I doubt taking those planes away and staffing them in DFW or whatever other base they want to open (MIA rumor) will attract new hires....

Attractive as a mean of growth, fast upgrade and flow. Why on earth they would upgrade 70+ guys? They clearly want to bring upgrade down.

Some guys are in compass not because of LAX, it was the fast growth and upgrades. I also seen guys saying "I would like envoy but I don't want to fly the 145, only the 175". Yes, SJS still out there and most new hires also believe the 175 will make them "more competitive".

Like I said, is not about performance, is about what's cheaper for AA. Also envoy used to fly thru LAX with ORD CRJ crews. It can be done...

eaglefly 03-27-2016 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2097649)
I bet at least 1/2 the Envoy pilot group tell people they meet that they fly for American Airlines.

Doesn't matter for most passengers anyway, as they think they ARE flying AA when they board an "American Eagle" RJ anyway. What AAG regional pilots tell others at cocktail parties or bars to pick up chicks is another story.

Fpmx772 03-27-2016 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097651)
Attractive as a mean of growth, fast upgrade and flow. Why on earth they would upgrade 70+ guys? They clearly want to bring upgrade down.



Some guys are in compass not because of LAX, it was the fast growth and upgrades. I also seen guys saying "I would like envoy but I don't want to fly the 145, only the 175". Yes, SJS still out there and most new hires also believe the 175 will make them "more competitive".



Like I said, is not about performance, is about what's cheaper for AA. Also envoy used to fly thru LAX with ORD CRJ crews. It can be done...



Your first sentence in your last paragraph just summed up why AA more than likely won't take those jets away...

SayAlt 03-27-2016 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2097655)
What AAG regional pilots tell others at cocktail parties or bars to pick up chicks is another story.

Yep. And that's exactly what the thread title implies. :D


TillerEnvy 03-27-2016 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097651)
Attractive as a mean of growth, fast upgrade and flow. Why on earth they would upgrade 70+ guys? They clearly want to bring upgrade down.

Some guys are in compass not because of LAX, it was the fast growth and upgrades. I also seen guys saying "I would like envoy but I don't want to fly the 145, only the 175". Yes, SJS still out there and most new hires also believe the 175 will make them "more competitive".

Like I said, is not about performance, is about what's cheaper for AA. Also envoy used to fly thru LAX with ORD CRJ crews. It can be done...

Please stop. You're getting so excited you'll probably believe it. I'll say it nice and slow for Envoy guys. Compass... Has... A... Contract... With... American. A contract. With a start and end date. Diva is by far a massive troll and you guys are falling for it.


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