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-   -   Envoy to retrieve the 20 E-175's from Compass (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/94160-envoy-retrieve-20-e-175s-compass.html)

eaglefly 03-28-2016 04:38 AM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097761)
Because the "compass airplanes" flying for AA are owned by AA. The RAH planes are co-signed by AA. Two different things.

Envoy are getting 2 145 back from Xjet, also bringing 3 back from long term storage. Next year the remaining 13 planes that Xjet has and the 15 that are in TSA will come back slowly. So, not losing many planes anymore. Even the CRJ700 will stay longer than 2016.
For this to effectively occur, Envoy will need consistently fat monthly new-hire classes that have so far eluded it.

FlameNSky 03-28-2016 05:04 AM
Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 2097683)
Feel sorry for them. They harbor deep hatred for a company/pilot group that is doing well without actually taking concessions, has a quick upgrade, and flies an airplane that is becoming more popular not less. The only thing they can say is "we're taking your ball and going home because we're better than you". Nevermind the fact that they can't point to a single thing that they're better at. Poor guys.
To be clear, out there in 3D Airline Pilot Central AKA the real world, I have spoken to very few envoy pilots that have any animosity toward Compass. We have weekly PSA MEC fire burning vigils but have no hatred toward Compass Pilots.

PilotJ3 03-28-2016 05:37 AM
Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2097839)
For this to effectively occur, Envoy will need consistently fat monthly new-hire classes that have so far eluded it.
Totally agree...its AAG fault that we lost around 1,000 pilots to other places.

ORDinary 03-28-2016 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2097649)
Yeah. That's why I'm laughing so hard. Nevermind the contract in place.

It's AA who owns a bunch of the Compass 175s, not Envoy.

But the title implies that Envoy pilots think of themselves as AA pilots. Hence, "Envoy to retrieve..." (vs. "AA to retrieve...") ...as if Envoy owns them!

I bet at least 1/2 the Envoy pilot group tell people they meet that they fly for American Airlines.

Cracks me up.
I completely agree that saying "retrieve" is ridiculous, and his claim is totally unsubstantiated, but you are way off about the vast majority of envoy pilots. More than half of us do call ourselves American Eagle, but not AA.

For the record I don't think we can staff any more 175s, and I'd rather increase flow than grow. Most of the guys I talk to feel that way.

ORDinary 03-28-2016 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2097851)
To be clear, out there in 3D Airline Pilot Central AKA the real world, I have spoken to very few envoy pilots that have any animosity toward Compass. We have weekly PSA MEC fire burning vigils but have no hatred toward Compass Pilots.
I agree with this.

Eaglepilot84 03-28-2016 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg (Post 2097838)
I apologize if I came off as arrogant. That was not my intention. Hearing other pilots publicly drooling over Compass planes is getting really tiresome. If these pilots could point to a single business case that could make that plausible I would understand. The point of my post was to illustrate that there is no business case.
Welcome to envoy's world from 2013-2015, when everybody and their mother was drooling over getting a piece of that American Eagle flying :cool:

Time's they are a changin' What's good today might suck tomorrow and what sucked yesterday might be good today.

Aviatrx 03-28-2016 06:40 AM
Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2097861)
Totally agree...its AAG fault that we lost around 1,000 pilots to other places.
The majority to flow. Rough guess but maybe 200 or so to other airlines. If this is even true, to use the word "retrieve" is inaccurate. My guess is that they used this word because those planes that went to compass were originally planned to come to envoy, but we had not yet negotiated an acceptable TA. AAG sent the planes to Compass to either strong hand us or because we did not developed the infrastructure to accept the planes in time. That's my understanding anyway

GoHomeLeg 03-28-2016 07:05 AM
Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 (Post 2097875)
Welcome to envoy's world from 2013-2015, when everybody and their mother was drooling over getting a piece of that American Eagle flying :cool:

Time's they are a changin' What's good today might suck tomorrow and what sucked yesterday might be good today.
I understand but Compass wasn't one of those carriers. All the aircraft Compass operates were regional growth aircraft from their respective partners.

rickair7777 03-28-2016 07:09 AM
There's no apparent evidence to support this. Thread closed unless someone can show me a link to a news article or press release.


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