Awww!! The Envoy haters!!!
No arrogance here, just trying to help a brother out.

Was that really necessary, ag? He's helping someone out that wants to work here. It's also called getting a recommendation.

Helping people. Try it some time.

AMF, I believe you are correct in this case. It was a bad post. My apologies Superjet.

However, I will say this guy isn't even on property yet and already has the salesy, arrogant demeanor of the Sales guys here.

According to ag, if you work at envoy, you better hate your job. Otherwise you're a salesman. Makes perfect sense!

No man, I'm just trying to help someone just the way they did with me. We as fellow pilot should help each other out no matter what our airlines believes are.

Yeah, is not good for us that New Hires are excited to be part of envoy.

Hahahaha oh well...

If a new pilot can read through all the envoy crap on this board and decide that this is where they want to work, great! Help him/her out. If you can hook them up with someone to get inside help, fantastic!

I've taken a look at some of the other regional threads here and they aren't anywhere near as consistently awful as ours are. Its like some can't allow others to make their own decisions even after hearing all sides of the story. It's a shame. We really do have problems here, but nowhere near as earth-shattering as some make it out to be.

Yes and it's ironic that "sammysuperjet" values honesty. I think it's obvious he is a poser here......er, let's make that ANOTHER poser. :cool:

Let's look at him and his time line, shall we ?

- A member for 5 years, but no posts until a couple of weeks ago.

Um OK, so he may be a true pilot lurker, but considering the following, I doubt it.


- 3/23 (two weeks ago), he claims to be a new guy who flies cargo and would like to jump to 121 and looking for advice on the best flow of the AAG WO's. Later that day after several glowing reviews from the usual crowd, he will "look into Envoy".


- 3/24 (next day), he confirms he has targeted only Envoy.

I only saw this solicitation for opinions on the AAG flows on ENVOY related or titled threads and not asking PSA or Piedmont pilots via specifically targeting threads from their pilots or discussing such in detail, so hmmmm....


- 3/24 to present, immediately becomes a vehement Envoy defender and co-attacker talking exactly like a long-time Envoy pilot.

On 4/5, he actually used the term "EAGLE hater" and a new guy not even employed there wouldn't have made such a Freudian slip. An older hand who was (is) at Envoy WOULD. He also has quickly adopted a hostile attitude towards the other WO's by demonstration of antagonistic posts on their threads similar to a jackal that bolts from a thicket of bushes foaming at the mouth which is simply uncharacteristic of just a wide-eyed neutral newbie looking for advice with no ruffled fur.


- 4/7 (yesterday), 14 days after claiming he has decided on Envoy, he is scheduled for class which is not enough time in my understanding to complete the interview process and associated hurdles like PRIA background checks and drug testing.



Honesty ?

Please. There is clearly little of that here.

It's clear to me anyway that this forum is filled with posers of questionable veracity and the topic of Envoy unfortunately seems to draw more then its share of strange new characters rapidly popping up claiming to be new, "asking questions" or using some other ruse simply to start yet another faux discussion on the merits of Envoy. Again, if someone truly wants to go there, that's cool as for some it may indeed be the best fit, but I simply cannot ignore what I see to be an aggressive orchestrated campaign by some of questionable motives and "honesty" is lost by many of those here. It's why I always say, "caveat emptor" as if you're a buyer here on this forum (for anything), it's obvious to me you're going to encounter a lot of shifty characters with dark trench coats and down-turned fedoras wanting to sell you something if you'll only follow them into the dark alley of their choosing.

Just my .02........

Good Points.

Good Luck!

The problem is that it seems too many who claim to be one thing are almost certainly not that at all.

Me too and why do you think that is ?

I think it is a combination of the fact that pilots (or "others") from other regionals haven't gone on a full-court press to sell and recruit here on this forum and in doing so are using multiple identities and misrepresenting themselves and/or their motives. I don't think Envoy per se is the problem here, it's some of the people who represent it here and the tactics they are using to do that. It's self-inflicted, if you ask me.