Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2105717)

If you aren't a salesman, then why do you jump in and have to rebut any negative comment about Envoy?

I posted some actual facts yesterday about the dismal Envoy hiring numbers. It seems that the Sales Team has their heads collectively buried in the sand and don't want to address actual numbers that show Envoy has a very steep hill to climb to make this flow work beyond the 824.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2105644)

I'm with eaglefly. Because you guys, the Sales Team, are such arrogant know-it-alls. That's the reason you get such pushback. You leave zero room for anyone with an opinion other than what matches yours to state their viewpoint. It's just immediate attacks and look how stupid this guy is. If you Envoy Police weren't like that, then I might have stated my initial opinion and with no Sales Team pressure, might have been it.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2105746)

One should note that in my posts I tend to ask a lot of questions. I almost never get the answers to the questions I ask.

Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2105644)

I'm with eaglefly. Because you guys, the Sales Team, are such arrogant know-it-alls. That's the reason you get such pushback. You leave zero room for anyone with an opinion other than what matches yours to state their viewpoint. It's just immediate attacks and look how stupid this guy is. If you Envoy Police weren't like that, then I might have stated my initial opinion and with no Sales Team pressure, might have been it.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2105795)

That is because no one takes you seriously. You are the butt of our jokes and we use you for entertainment. Not all attention is good attention.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2105031)

Yes and it's ironic that "sammysuperjet" values honesty. I think it's obvious he is a poser here......er, let's make that ANOTHER poser. :cool:

Let's look at him and his time line, shall we ?

- A member for 5 years, but no posts until a couple of weeks ago.

Um OK, so he may be a true pilot lurker, but considering the following, I doubt it.


- 3/23 (two weeks ago), he claims to be a new guy who flies cargo and would like to jump to 121 and looking for advice on the best flow of the AAG WO's. Later that day after several glowing reviews from the usual crowd, he will "look into Envoy".


- 3/24 (next day), he confirms he has targeted only Envoy.

I only saw this solicitation for opinions on the AAG flows on ENVOY related or titled threads and not asking PSA or Piedmont pilots via specifically targeting threads from their pilots or discussing such in detail, so hmmmm....


- 3/24 to present, immediately becomes a vehement Envoy defender and co-attacker talking exactly like a long-time Envoy pilot.

On 4/5, he actually used the term "EAGLE hater" and a new guy not even employed there wouldn't have made such a Freudian slip. An older hand who was (is) at Envoy WOULD. He also has quickly adopted a hostile attitude towards the other WO's by demonstration of antagonistic posts on their threads similar to a jackal that bolts from a thicket of bushes foaming at the mouth which is simply uncharacteristic of just a wide-eyed neutral newbie looking for advice with no ruffled fur.


- 4/7 (yesterday), 14 days after claiming he has decided on Envoy, he is scheduled for class which is not enough time in my understanding to complete the interview process and associated hurdles like PRIA background checks and drug testing.



Honesty ?

Please. There is clearly little of that here.

It's clear to me anyway that this forum is filled with posers of questionable veracity and the topic of Envoy unfortunately seems to draw more then its share of strange new characters rapidly popping up claiming to be new, "asking questions" or using some other ruse simply to start yet another faux discussion on the merits of Envoy. Again, if someone truly wants to go there, that's cool as for some it may indeed be the best fit, but I simply cannot ignore what I see to be an aggressive orchestrated campaign by some of questionable motives and "honesty" is lost by many of those here. It's why I always say, "caveat emptor" as if you're a buyer here on this forum (for anything), it's obvious to me you're going to encounter a lot of shifty characters with dark trench coats and down-turned fedoras wanting to sell you something if you'll only follow them into the dark alley of their choosing.

Just my .02........

Originally Posted by sammysuperjet (Post 2105928)

Been here a few years in APC because that how I stay updated with the industry. To clear your confusion I had two job offers PDT and Envoy and I choose Envoy as it has all the things I want. I will never tell other pilot where or who he should fly for.

You eaglefly and your girlfriend from Allegiant are the clowns of APC.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2105031)

Yes and it's ironic that "sammysuperjet" values honesty. I think it's obvious he is a poser here......er, let's make that ANOTHER poser. :cool:

Let's look at him and his time line, shall we ?

- A member for 5 years, but no posts until a couple of weeks ago.

Um OK, so he may be a true pilot lurker, but considering the following, I doubt it.


- 3/23 (two weeks ago), he claims to be a new guy who flies cargo and would like to jump to 121 and looking for advice on the best flow of the AAG WO's. Later that day after several glowing reviews from the usual crowd, he will "look into Envoy".


- 3/24 (next day), he confirms he has targeted only Envoy.

I only saw this solicitation for opinions on the AAG flows on ENVOY related or titled threads and not asking PSA or Piedmont pilots via specifically targeting threads from their pilots or discussing such in detail, so hmmmm....


- 3/24 to present, immediately becomes a vehement Envoy defender and co-attacker talking exactly like a long-time Envoy pilot.

On 4/5, he actually used the term "EAGLE hater" and a new guy not even employed there wouldn't have made such a Freudian slip. An older hand who was (is) at Envoy WOULD. He also has quickly adopted a hostile attitude towards the other WO's by demonstration of antagonistic posts on their threads similar to a jackal that bolts from a thicket of bushes foaming at the mouth which is simply uncharacteristic of just a wide-eyed neutral newbie looking for advice with no ruffled fur.


- 4/7 (yesterday), 14 days after claiming he has decided on Envoy, he is scheduled for class which is not enough time in my understanding to complete the interview process and associated hurdles like PRIA background checks and drug testing.



Honesty ?

Please. There is clearly little of that here.

It's clear to me anyway that this forum is filled with posers of questionable veracity and the topic of Envoy unfortunately seems to draw more then its share of strange new characters rapidly popping up claiming to be new, "asking questions" or using some other ruse simply to start yet another faux discussion on the merits of Envoy. Again, if someone truly wants to go there, that's cool as for some it may indeed be the best fit, but I simply cannot ignore what I see to be an aggressive orchestrated campaign by some of questionable motives and "honesty" is lost by many of those here. It's why I always say, "caveat emptor" as if you're a buyer here on this forum (for anything), it's obvious to me you're going to encounter a lot of shifty characters with dark trench coats and down-turned fedoras wanting to sell you something if you'll only follow them into the dark alley of their choosing.

Just my .02........

Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2105990)

Can we get one of these on AG? That would be entertaining. :D

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2106005)

I'm sure a little research will either find undefendable discrepancies or not. In fact, I'm surprised a few of the others there haven't pursued this tack already. For Sammy, it was easy due to his short active presence and exceedingly sloppy stealth.

Personally, I liked the "flight school cadet approach validating the tactics and salesmanship" better. At least he was working with a clean slate on that one. ;)