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Old 06-17-2016 | 10:20 AM
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Old 06-17-2016 | 10:47 AM
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It's not just the bonuses. It's the pay after the bonus runs out and how crappy the company treats people while they're here.
Old 06-17-2016 | 10:54 AM
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None of the AAG WO union leadership or line pilots are happy. AAG insists on keeping its head so far up its own arse it is almost incredible.

For starters, who in the hell is the extra $5,000 going to attract that didn't/wouldn't of already come for the $10,000? Second of all, by the time they finally figure this out, time will be running out for attracting new hires.

What is needed is actual hard pay increases and contractual improvements. Raise first year FO pay to $35 /hour and top it out at $45 /hour. 100% deadhead, min day with no carve-outs, and 200% open time pay would be a good start. And did I mention commutable high-credit lines?
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
None of the AAG WO union leadership or line pilots are happy. AAG insists on keeping its head so far up its own arse it is almost incredible.

For starters, who in the hell is the extra $5,000 going to attract that didn't/wouldn't of already come for the $10,000? Second of all, by the time they finally figure this out, time will be running out for attracting new hires.

What is needed is actual hard pay increases and contractual improvements. Raise first year FO pay to $35 /hour and top it out at $45 /hour. 100% deadhead, min day with no carve-outs, and 200% open time pay would be a good start. And did I mention commutable high-credit lines?
Cutting it short...

It should be

$40
$42
$45
$50

If you made it to yr 4, then you should be compensated more since they felt short of the 2.5/3yr upgrade.
Old 06-17-2016 | 11:22 AM
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I'd lean more towards:
$60
$62
$65
$70

Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Cutting it short...

It should be

$40
$42
$45
$50

If you made it to yr 4, then you should be compensated more since they felt short of the 2.5/3yr upgrade.
Old 06-17-2016 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
I'd lean more towards:
$60
$62
$65
$70
THANK YOU. How much do lawyers and doctors get paid after years of expensive training and experience? How many lives are in their hands every day???

How much would a mainline pilot get paid to fly the same airplane? The numbers should at least be much closer to that..
Old 06-17-2016 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
THANK YOU. How much do lawyers and doctors get paid after years of expensive training and experience? How many lives are in their hands every day???

How much would a mainline pilot get paid to fly the same airplane? The numbers should at least be much closer to that..
To be clear, I'm not arguing against higher pay. Because it is simply what the market is demanding. But to compare us to doctors is ridiculous. We don't incur the amount of debt nor are we required to go through the same type of schooling doctors are. And this job certainly isn't brain surgery.
Old 06-17-2016 | 11:31 AM
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I have over 2500 hours that I can attribute to 135/121 time. From what I understand on the APC profile of Envoy, I have a chance to be hired at Envoy with a 25k bonus?
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And honestly, a lot of lawyers only make about as much as a 5 or 6 year regional CA. And doctors as much as a senior mainline FO. Not the best of comparisons if you ask me.
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2 year commitment on the bonus . If you leave prior you owe them 15k
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