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phalanxo 06-18-2016 04:12 PM

Let me elaborate. What I meant was that you are unlikely to have much time off at any of these flight schools, in order to really be take advantage of the travel benefits. Many of them are 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off. Maybe a few aren't and you could get more use out of them, but even if it's a 5 on 2 off schedule, that doesn't really give you any time to go anywhere and be able to make it back in time if your commute doesn't work out (especially with no jumpseat available).
Also, when I previously looked into this, enrolling in pipeline meant you didn't get the 15k signing bonus. If that hasn't changed... well, $15,000 buys a lot of confirmed seats domestically. It looks like now under a very specific set of circumstances they offer a 10k "scholarship" but again there's a $5000 delta there which would buy a lot of confirmed airline tickets (and you can go elsewhere without putting all your eggs in one basket...)
Food for thought.

inky13 06-18-2016 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by phalanxo (Post 2147346)
Let me elaborate. What I meant was that you are unlikely to have much time off at any of these flight schools, in order to really be take advantage of the travel benefits. Many of them are 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off. Maybe a few aren't and you could get more use out of them, but even if it's a 5 on 2 off schedule, that doesn't really give you any time to go anywhere and be able to make it back in time if your commute doesn't work out (especially with no jumpseat available).
Also, when I previously looked into this, enrolling in pipeline meant you didn't get the 15k signing bonus. If that hasn't changed... well, $15,000 buys a lot of confirmed seats domestically. It looks like now under a very specific set of circumstances they offer a 10k "scholarship" but again there's a $5000 delta there which would buy a lot of confirmed airline tickets (and you can go elsewhere without putting all your eggs in one basket...)
Food for thought.


Nope. Check your facts before you spew. Better yet, call the recruitment department and ask questions.

Pipeline Instructors, once they start as a First Officer, will receive whatever the current signing bonus is at that time. Currently, that is $15,000.

As far as the travel privileges while being an instructor--I agree with you in that some outfits have you workings 6 days a week. Even with 2 days off, it may be tough non-revving somewhere. The privileges that your spouse (or RC) and family/friends get out of it is good though. There are many cases where the instructor's family used the travel privileges more than the instructor.

Aside from the travel privileges, however, are all the other benefits. Not many outfits provide their instructors with full health benefits, 401k and vacation/sick time accrual. Being a PI also starts the company seniority (NOT pilot seniority) once hired, which determines the amount of vacation/sick time accrual and 401k company contribution amounts.

To be a PI, Envoy requests a 2-year commitment. That can run concurrently with the 2-year commitment for the signing bonus.

Cadet Instructors commit for 1 year.

inky13 06-18-2016 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by yeahbutstill (Post 2147167)
Does anyone know what the interview is like for this program?

In addition to JCPearce8's gouge, you can find more at all the interview gouge websites like willflyforfood.com and aviationinterviews.com.

When you do look on those websites, keep in mind the simulator evaluation is currently not being done.

You'll know the same day as your interview if you are given the "pre-offer" of employment. The pre-offer allows recruitment to conduct the background check. Once done, you'll be given the actual "conditional" offer of employment and, if you're already teaching at one of the partner schools, be onboarded into Envoy's system to become an Envoy employee. Total time for that process is usually a few weeks.

If you're not at a partner school, Envoy can help facilitate an interview with a school once accepted into the Pipeline/Cadet Program.

yeahbutstill 06-18-2016 06:12 PM

Does anyone know who to contact at Envoy? The guy that handles that at my flight school never gets back to you, it is really annoying. I also emailed some recuriter captain David Streit but never heard back either

inky13 06-18-2016 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by yeahbutstill (Post 2147376)
Does anyone know who to contact at Envoy? The guy that handles that at my flight school never gets back to you, it is really annoying. I also emailed some recuriter captain David Streit but never heard back either


972-374-5607 will get you to the office, then can be directed from there.

Or just PM me.

Dorn 06-18-2016 07:33 PM

In addition to the travel benefits, you also begin your company seniority ( NOT PILOT SENIORITY). Meaning as an instructor you begin to accumulate your vacation and sick bank just as any FO would. So for the average instructor requiring ~ 12-15 months of flight instructing would essentially show up as a new hire like everyone else on day one but would have potentially 2 weeks of vacation already accrued as well as sick time. For you guys not yet in the industry the airlines generally dont issue an allotment of vacation/sick but it is accrued at X amount of hours a month.
It's not the end all be all, and I wouldn't come here just for that, but it is a nice perk especially for year one.
You also get the exact same health benefits we do as well as 401k with company match. All this stuff is pretty cool in that when I was an instructor I had none of this stuff as many of us did. I wouldn't base my only decision to come here just on these but I'll admit it is nice to have.

moon 06-18-2016 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2147163)
I may be wrong,BUT I think registered companions have unlimited d2. They do apply an imputed one way income. Basically they put a value on the registered companion flying free, like miami to ny might be 55 bucks. Then you pay income tax on it, it's applied to your income as if you were paid it, but your not paid it,but your taxed on it.

You are correct. Registered companions get unlimited D2s and the same 6 D1 allotments as well.

toolowterrain 06-18-2016 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2147153)
Flight instructors travel as D1&2?


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2147156)
Yes, they do.

Whattttt. And here I am at AWAC, flying exclusively as American Eagle and Im a D6 as a commuter.

Otherwise you have to pay to be an AAC priority code. Unlike the US Airways days, the American culture seems to be very hostile to the non-wholly owned's.

PilotJ3 06-19-2016 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by toolowterrain (Post 2147430)
Whattttt. And here I am at AWAC, flying exclusively as American Eagle and Im a D6 as a commuter.

Otherwise you have to pay to be an AAC priority code. Unlike the US Airways days, the American culture seems to be very hostile to the non-wholly owned's.

Because Non-WO are contractors. Sorry if is that way, but I don't understand why people feel entitled to better flight benefits when they are not part of the company. Also this is USAirways management, you have to understand why the AA culture is that way. All of this was imposed by the merger, it is what it is.

The PI are signing a 2yr contract to fly for ENY/PSA/PDT, that's part of the package.

iFlyRC 06-19-2016 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2147432)
Because Non-WO are contractors. Sorry if is that way, but I don't understand why people feel entitled to better flight benefits when they are not part of the company. Also this is USAirways management, you have to understand why the AA culture is that way. All of this was imposed by the merger, it is what it is.

The PI are signing a 2yr contract to fly for ENY/PSA/PDT, that's part of the package.

We are ****ed off because we had priority with Airways! We lost priority because the AA pilots and FA's wanted to protect their retiree's benefits. What ever, tired of playing this sick little game, AA was going out of business for a reason.


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