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Apokleros 08-16-2016 08:52 AM

Not everyone working at a regional, LLC or ACMI will want to work for AA (they're not my number one at all), or even have the capability to do so owing to a plethora of extraneous circumstances. Also there are many less military aviators being produced today than in the past, and those aviators have much higher flexibility in selecting which carriers they will work for, and if you haven't noticed yet all the big players are hiring and demand will only go up for that limited pool of candidates in the future.

I think I will take my chances and avoid the AA wholly owneds like moldy bread, even if it means working somewhere for much longer to have the chance to work at AA. But I do wish everyone working there absolutely good luck with whatever the future has in store for them.

highflyer1980 08-16-2016 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2181317)
Just as predictable as a bitter former envoy employee showing up doing his best to bash the company who fired him. I'm proud to defend my own, are you proud about your actions? Is it something you would like to talk about during a United interview? Its a small industry, and we know who you are. What are the chances, do you think, of you ever working for another ALPA carrier again? ;)



I don't know who he is.


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Name User 08-16-2016 09:29 AM

Traditionally it's very hard to get fired from an airline, especially a regional. If Envoy fired someone they must have had probable cause. Trust me airlines do not go about firing people without cause. We should all be happy they are taking a firm stand against troublemakers, we don't want them here at AA either.

It's really not hard to keep your job - I have only known a handful of folks who got canned, most for drug/alcohol issues.

Jersdawg 08-16-2016 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2181550)
Traditionally it's very hard to get fired from an airline, especially a regional. If Envoy fired someone they must have had probable cause. Trust me airlines do not go about firing people without cause. We should all be happy they are taking a firm stand against troublemakers, we don't want them here at AA either.

It's really not hard to keep your job - I have only known a handful of folks who got canned, most for drug/alcohol issues.

It's hard to get permanently fired. The rep in question has filed a grievance over what he termed an unjust termination. The union will certainly work to get his job back, and I bet they will.

450knotOffice 08-16-2016 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2181550)
Traditionally it's very hard to get fired from an airline, especially a regional. If Envoy fired someone they must have had probable cause. Trust me airlines do not go about firing people without cause. We should all be happy they are taking a firm stand against troublemakers, we don't want them here at AA either.

It's really not hard to keep your job - I have only known a handful of folks who got canned, most for drug/alcohol issues.

This guy is a stellar human being, a great person to be around, and is a good pilot. Troublemaker is never a word anybody would use to describe this person. He is not a union rep either. considering two people were fired that day, I smell a witch hunt intended to straighten up the rest of the minions.

Name User 08-16-2016 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2181719)
This guy is a stellar human being, a great person to be around, and is a good pilot. Troublemaker is never a word anybody would use to describe this person. He is not a union rep either. considering two people were fired that day, I smell a witch hunt intended to straighten up the rest of the minions.

Just playing devil's advocate. If this were the case why hasn't the company fired a bunch of flows? Just because this person is a "stellar" person to people that know him doesn't mean they didn't do something to warrant getting fired.

Unless Envoy is firing all 30 potential flow throughs it might be beneficial to keep an open mind. This person did something to garner the attention.

buddies8 08-16-2016 04:36 PM

You really don't know this management, do you.
There are more morons here that should not be near an airplane but they kiss the right body part on management and they are still here plus they snitch. That the way it is here.

Smutter 08-16-2016 04:44 PM

Are the emj and 175 schedules for September, as bad as the crj schedules.

buddies8 08-16-2016 05:46 PM

I would say the 175 got a little better while the crj schedules were made by people on drugs.


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