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iFlyRC 09-28-2016 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by diva (Post 2212753)
American plans on hire 850-1000 pilots in 2017 and have requested 480 pilots to come from Envoy (40/month subject to operational limitation & needs).

Envoy sent 151 pilots to American in 2015,

so far sent 253 pilots (projecting 300-330 pilots) in 2016,

and expects to send an additional 330-480 pilots in 2017.

So far Envoy has sent 952 pilots to American.

With the recent and additional upcoming news at Envoy a new hire can expect to upgrade in less than 3 years and flow to American in 5-6 years.

If your future goal is to work for American, the largest Airline in the world, Envoy is the path to American.

It's a good time to be a Envoy pilot ! =)

If you plan on sending that many pilots, you better walk into the Mesa DFW crew room and do some recruiting. You'll have no issues filling classes

Skyvector 09-28-2016 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 2212758)
If you plan on sending that many pilots, you better walk into the Mesa DFW crew room and do some recruiting

Mesa's JO does enough recruiting for us. No need.

iFlyRC 09-28-2016 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2212760)
Mesa's JO does enough recruiting for us. No need.

Very true!

mr25cents 09-28-2016 01:53 PM

This is great news for those that live in the NE area. So I'm guessing LGA is gonna have around 7-10 birds (so far), how many lines is that? Don't wanna change bases and end up in rsv, that would be a huge "D'Oh!".

N1234 09-28-2016 01:55 PM

I am truly happy for you guys. Good news finally!!!

What I am wondering though if anyone has ever been held accountable for all this mis-management?

Close NY / Open NY
Encourage people to leave through poor QoL / finally increase pay etc. to attract new hires

Strikes me as a lot of yield loss in the process ....

Smutter 09-28-2016 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2212766)
I am truly happy for you guys. Good news finally!!!

What I am wondering though if anyone has ever been held accountable for all this mis-management?

Close NY / Open NY
Encourage people to leave through poor QoL / finally increase pay etc. to attract new hires

Strikes me as a lot of yield loss in the process ....

No, that's why, we don't like our upper management.

highflyer1980 09-28-2016 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2212688)
It means approx 6 or 7 planes worth of flying is probably leaving one of the northeast carriers.



That's what I'm thinking also. Probably getting back some birds AA issued to TSA that were originally ours. I can't imagine any displacements since we still have lots of guys that commute from that area.


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CBreezy 09-28-2016 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by highflyer1980 (Post 2212770)
That's what I'm thinking also. Probably getting back some birds AA issued to TSA that were originally ours. I can't imagine any displacements since we still have lots of guys that commute from that area.


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I thought the XJT airplanes had shorter leases. Did they renew?

Dorn 09-28-2016 03:26 PM

While it's true that AA has asked for 40 a month as of today the email from our management said 330. It is in everyone's interest to get more to AA. It will really depend on what our hiring is capable of. If all this news of pay and now new base, increases our new hires then I personally see more than the 330. That is obviously yet to be seen but so far I have to give credit where it's due. We have seen them put their money where their mouth is and so far it's good. I think SK who is now at UAL was really putting a lid on us and now the powers that be are making due. Lots to be seen still, but I think a new hire here is going to have a good QOL/ movement than at most regionals. Then again I'll still say I wish we had our west coast ops back. Maybe soon that will come back, who knows... At least pay and movement are on the up and up.
We're not all lollipops and roses but it's been several years of beatdown and I think we're finally past that and are moving to better pastures. I sincerely think that a new hire today will have a better experience then many of us did. Here's the way I see it. You come here and have AA in your back pocket, build the time/experience and put your apps in to whomever floats your boat. Worst case is your dream airline doesn't call then you have AA in your back pocket. That's not a bad gig if you ask me.

lakehouse 09-28-2016 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by mr25cents (Post 2212765)
This is great news for those that live in the NE area. So I'm guessing LGA is gonna have around 7-10 birds (so far), how many lines is that? Don't wanna change bases and end up in rsv, that would be a huge "D'Oh!".

I'd just guess tran states. It's 140 pilots so about 12 planes. Most likely 40 lines. I think they have that many airplane plus minus 4.


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