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Old 01-18-2018 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pat2389
Just talked to someone in the schoolhouse. Apparently it’s true they are capping the classes at 30, 12 of which have to have 950 hours 121 time so they can be upgraded quickly.
So much for 900 this year. Sounds like another flow metering grievance...artificially capping classes yet still metering.
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Old 01-18-2018 | 07:49 AM
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Just talked to someone in the schoolhouse. Apparently it’s true they are capping the classes at 30, 12 of which have to have 950 hours 121 time so they can be upgraded quickly.


Such a predictable move! I knew this would happen. Makes a lot of sense. Tailor hiring for company needs which is prior 121 experience for quick captain upgrades. Flood gates of NH being shut to allow for more HVA’s.

Metering flow of PP group due to CA shortages. This is cause by the company’s (renewed) goal of growth; back to 2013 levels. ALPA will have a difficult time legally fighting any grievance against a Pro Business Arbitrator Judges that will side with the company 95% of the time. They will NOT harm growth and job creation drive of any company which the President of the United States wants.

Say goodbye to hopes of getting a pay raise like Endeavor, Republic, Commutair for line pilots. That hope is now put to bed for at least few a months.

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Old 01-18-2018 | 08:07 AM
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What does training look like for someone already typed in the ERJ without any 121 time assuming thats the fleet they are assigned? Seems counterproductive to go through a whole initial systems class no?
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Old 01-18-2018 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Champeen07
What does training look like for someone already typed in the ERJ without any 121 time assuming thats the fleet they are assigned? Seems counterproductive to go through a whole initial systems class no?


It’s the same..

You have to complete the training program that has been blessed by the FEDS.



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Old 01-18-2018 | 08:48 AM
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59 more hrs to go for me to upgrade. Ill happily fly that E145 junk as long as im in command.
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Old 01-18-2018 | 09:16 AM
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Lol and what does that mean? Did they teach that at Riddle?
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Old 01-18-2018 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 1704LIFE
Did they teach that at Riddle?
What, how to be a tool? It is hard to say. He may have learned it there, or it just might come naturally to him.
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Old 01-18-2018 | 11:01 AM
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59 more hrs to go for me to upgrade. Ill happily fly that E145 junk as long as im in command.
Are you going to be able to handle not having VNAV and auto-throttles? You’d better hunker down in your mom’s basement, get on your flight simulator and start practicing.
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Old 01-18-2018 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Are you going to be able to handle not having VNAV and auto-throttles? You’d better hunker down in your mom’s basement, get on your flight simulator and start practicing.
And *GASP* he’ll have to change his handle! Wonder if the ego can take the hit?
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Old 01-18-2018 | 12:38 PM
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There seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding flow-through, especially for new hires. Here is some information:

-Flow is currently about 12 years (2006 hires are in line next).

-It appears flow MAY drop to 11 years by early 2019 (2008 hires) and possibly 9 years by summer 2019 (2010 hires).

-A lucky select few hired from summer 2015 - early 2016 may see a sub-6 year flow-through. For folks hired the end of 2016 and beyond, wait times should steadily increase.

-A new hire today will probably wait at least 9 years. I'm not sure if folks are still being told "6 years," but that does not appear possible for someone hired today.

-Per the contract, flow-through is scheduled to dramatically slow for folks hired after October 2011, and it slows even more after 2014 hires.

-These are likely best-case scenarios, as flow is currently less than the required 50 percent, and mainline routinely goes several months each year with ZERO new hire classes; this by definition frequently pauses the flow. I'm guessing that the projections listed here are wildly optimistic, and it will probably take longer for most.





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