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Old 01-18-2018, 03:19 AM
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I have been hearing and reading on here the company is going to limit NHs to 30 per month or per class going forward. I guess this won’t take too long before we find out the validity of this information.

Many are guessing it’s to let the back log unclog but I think it may have more to do with the CA FO imbalance that would happen if we continue to hire 900 pilots this year. I’m guessing since we are running out of FOs to upgrade we don’t need as many FOs anymore. The 2017 NHs won’t have the 1000 hours until 2019-2020. If we hired another 900 pilots this year I’m guessing we would have more than 1500 pilots with less than a 1000 hours by the end of the year. I’m guessing we are going to be some what neutral on CA growth this year. 300-350 gone with Flow AND attrition to OAL. 2016 guys will start coming of age to be upgraded and they may account for 250-300 added to the 150 that was just forced to upgrade.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by goldenbear1 View Post
Can anyone lay out a basic training format for me? Is it only Monday through Friday or weekends as well? Are you given any time off?
It's usually Mon - Fri

You'll get a schedule sometime during your INDOC and day 1 of systems.

Here's what mine looked like

7? days of INDOC [2 days off]

30 days off for home study, although my friend only had a week off. another friend had 2 weeks off. (memory items, limitations, flows. you can knock out the cbt)

3 days of emergency training

6 days off for CBT

2 weeks of systems, on day 2 you'll start IPT and CPT the final 2 days. [you'll have weekends off]

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Few days off then Sim, you also get weekends off during sim.

Good luck!
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by NiceToMeetU2 View Post
It's usually Mon - Fri

You'll get a schedule sometime during your INDOC and day 1 of systems.

Here's what mine looked like

7? days of INDOC [2 days off]

30 days off for home study, although my friend only had a week off. another friend had 2 weeks off. (memory items, limitations, flows. you can knock out the cbt)

3 days of emergency training

6 days off for CBT

2 weeks of systems, on day 2 you'll start IPT and CPT the final 2 days. [you'll have weekends off]

Oral

Few days off then Sim, you also get weekends off during sim.

Good luck!
Don't expect weekends off when sims are involved. If you got weekends off great but those sims run almost non-stop. I know I had one on Easter Sunday (can't remember if it was a cbt or an actual sim lesson but either way...)
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by moon View Post
They can't cry understaffed, for the metering, and then not try to staff the airline. That's some next level BS.

If you want to laugh for a short bit, read this.
https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.raa.or...regas.docx.pdf
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:44 AM
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Good point, could be
Was posted yesterday and the 145 ord/lga numbers agree, just minus the crj and some of the 175, so looks odd
That was the December class in the FB photo. They took the picture last week.
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by E190 Driver View Post
If you want to laugh for a short bit, read this.
https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.raa.or...regas.docx.pdf
In summary. “This is gonna cost us some cheddar. And I might have to lay off my nanny.”

Mommy needs her alone time.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by E190 Driver View Post
If you want to laugh for a short bit, read this.
https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.raa.or...regas.docx.pdf
Haha that's funny he wrote in 2014 about how university's resquired 1500 hours when they didn't and how they should lower the time for people at those university's which they already had. The letter should have been, thanks you guys already did exactly what I want.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:53 AM
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Just talked to someone in the schoolhouse. Apparently it’s true they are capping the classes at 30, 12 of which have to have 950 hours 121 time so they can be upgraded quickly.
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pat2389 View Post
Just talked to someone in the schoolhouse. Apparently it’s true they are capping the classes at 30, 12 of which have to have 950 hours 121 time so they can be upgraded quickly.
So much for 900 this year. Sounds like another flow metering grievance...artificially capping classes yet still metering.
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:49 AM
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Just talked to someone in the schoolhouse. Apparently it’s true they are capping the classes at 30, 12 of which have to have 950 hours 121 time so they can be upgraded quickly.


Such a predictable move! I knew this would happen. Makes a lot of sense. Tailor hiring for company needs which is prior 121 experience for quick captain upgrades. Flood gates of NH being shut to allow for more HVA’s.

Metering flow of PP group due to CA shortages. This is cause by the company’s (renewed) goal of growth; back to 2013 levels. ALPA will have a difficult time legally fighting any grievance against a Pro Business Arbitrator Judges that will side with the company 95% of the time. They will NOT harm growth and job creation drive of any company which the President of the United States wants.

Say goodbye to hopes of getting a pay raise like Endeavor, Republic, Commutair for line pilots. That hope is now put to bed for at least few a months.

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