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Old 05-03-2018, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Virga show View Post
So let’s say you fly 500 hours a year. Each flight is roughly average 1.5 block. That’s 333 flights a year. 500 hours = 30,000 pay minutes. Now if every time you block in you lose 2 mins of pay. So now you get 88 mins pay per flight. Now your down to 29,304 at the years end. That’s a 696 min loss. Which is 11.6 hours times 70 bucks a hour = 812 bucks. Now you may not like money but I’m pretty sure everybody else does here. I didn’t want you to be confused.
Well seeing that you get paid the greater of either one, you may fly 29,304 but you do in fact get paid 30,000 since the block is greater. This is assuming that you underfly every block in this scenario.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Vne469 View Post
Does ORD RAP3 actually exist? I dont see that anyone has it on the reserve list.

Also, what time is reasonable to call and ask to be released to catch a commuter flight home if I am on RAP1 or SB1?
Calling for release isn't something you should be afraid of. Just take some common sense and a little advice from other pilots you talk to and go from there. You have to look at weather, reserve list, flights, and what day you are on.

Airport standby pilots are typically the last ones to get let go early. JFK S1 maybe a different story. If you are on your last day of S1 then an hour or 30 minutes might be a reasonable time to get released. Last day on S2 is a tricky one because they can only use you for a turn before a JM. Release time could be anywhere from around 3:30-6.

RAPs 1 I'll start asking around 10 am. RAP 2 I'll start asking about 11 or 12. But it all depends on where I am in the seniority list and how many people below and above me are available.

Simple phone call example, "Hey this is FO ______ on my last day on a RAP/Standby assignment____. I was just looking to see when I could catch a flight back home to see the kids." If there is weather or the reserve list is thin then feel free to mention it and ask when a reasonable time to get let go would be. 90% of the time they will say call back by ____ and check again.

Just don't be the bottom guy on the list and in the middle of a reserve line and expect to get released from a S2 3 hours before your shift ends.

Also shift change is at 2 or 3 so feel free to bug again after 3.
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Old 05-03-2018, 05:09 AM
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15 more E175 next year with options for another 15? Takes us to 69 (insert joke here) Brazilian space shuttles? Cool, but FUPM.
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Old 05-03-2018, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Vne469 View Post
Does ORD RAP3 actually exist? I dont see that anyone has it on the reserve list.

Also, what time is reasonable to call and ask to be released to catch a commuter flight home if I am on RAP1 or SB1?
No RAP3 at ORD. Calling off a standby is unlikely. I know people calling off a RAP1 as early as 10am.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator View Post
Ever think we get paid 1/3 because they get paid 5/3's? What if the real market price of flying is somewhere in between what regional and mainline pilots are earning right now, and we're basically subsidizing them?.
That is exactly the case. If pay weren’t so amazing at the majors, far fewer people would put up with the low pay at the regionals.

It’s the same reason why first year pay is so low at a major. You are subsidizing the max widebody captain rate. This is an unfortunate result of a seniority based system. People will pay their dues (make 1/3 of what they should), with the dream of making it to the majors (to make 5/3 of what the free market would probably support).
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:33 PM
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The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.

I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane View Post
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.

I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
Costs more to run two smaller aircraft than one larger one generally speaking. You’re getting tunnel vision by only thinking about pilots as without including all the added staff to support a larger fleet along with ancillary like gate space, slots etc.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane View Post
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.



I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
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Mainline folded in yester-years for more $$$$. Highly doubt they will again. To many threats facing this career from multiple angles. Scope give-always being the largest threat.
#ScopeChoke at mainline must continue. If not the madness you posted may come to fruition.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:40 PM
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Thanks Pedro4Prez and in2deep for the helpful info.
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane View Post
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.

I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
I don't know about you but I don't wanna rot like the lifers-losers we have here making $85-$100 an hr doing 5 legs.

envoy (regionals) are stepping stones. Period.
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