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#8181
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
So let’s say you fly 500 hours a year. Each flight is roughly average 1.5 block. That’s 333 flights a year. 500 hours = 30,000 pay minutes. Now if every time you block in you lose 2 mins of pay. So now you get 88 mins pay per flight. Now your down to 29,304 at the years end. That’s a 696 min loss. Which is 11.6 hours times 70 bucks a hour = 812 bucks. Now you may not like money but I’m pretty sure everybody else does here. I didn’t want you to be confused.
#8182
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Airport standby pilots are typically the last ones to get let go early. JFK S1 maybe a different story. If you are on your last day of S1 then an hour or 30 minutes might be a reasonable time to get released. Last day on S2 is a tricky one because they can only use you for a turn before a JM. Release time could be anywhere from around 3:30-6.
RAPs 1 I'll start asking around 10 am. RAP 2 I'll start asking about 11 or 12. But it all depends on where I am in the seniority list and how many people below and above me are available.
Simple phone call example, "Hey this is FO ______ on my last day on a RAP/Standby assignment____. I was just looking to see when I could catch a flight back home to see the kids." If there is weather or the reserve list is thin then feel free to mention it and ask when a reasonable time to get let go would be. 90% of the time they will say call back by ____ and check again.
Just don't be the bottom guy on the list and in the middle of a reserve line and expect to get released from a S2 3 hours before your shift ends.
Also shift change is at 2 or 3 so feel free to bug again after 3.
#8184
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 147
No RAP3 at ORD. Calling off a standby is unlikely. I know people calling off a RAP1 as early as 10am.
#8185
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,547
It’s the same reason why first year pay is so low at a major. You are subsidizing the max widebody captain rate. This is an unfortunate result of a seniority based system. People will pay their dues (make 1/3 of what they should), with the dream of making it to the majors (to make 5/3 of what the free market would probably support).
#8186
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 135
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
#8187
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
#8188
Envoy
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
Mainline folded in yester-years for more $$$$. Highly doubt they will again. To many threats facing this career from multiple angles. Scope give-always being the largest threat.
#ScopeChoke at mainline must continue. If not the madness you posted may come to fruition.
#8190
The 175 is doing ALOT of mainline routes. AA could, theoretically, reduce the number of 737 orders and slow hiring. I know they need thousands of new hires over X amount of years, but what if they don’t grow their mainline fleet. They could buy new planes to replace the old ones, but replace them with less. Example, Retire a MD80 and in return buy 2 175s and make regionals fly them. They would save tons in crew pay over time, $85/hr over $250/hr. It’s cheaper to pay regional pilots to fly the mainline routes that we already fly and Its Cheaper to buy the regional planes and give more “mainline” flying routes to the 175s and 900s. Some how I think American has a plane to deal with this “pilot shortage” and I think it’s to expand regional flying with more mainline routes. Of course there will still be pilots hired at AA each month, but if they shrink those overall fleet numbers, they won’t need as many pilots.
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
I think I explained that the way I was thinking it.....
envoy (regionals) are stepping stones. Period.
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