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Remember when they announced “growth” right after announcing parking the DL fleet. Only a delusional person would consider a net loss of 53 (61-8) airframes as “growing.” http://i63.tinypic.com/u5ut.jpg
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Originally Posted by McNugent
(Post 2581324)
I’m constantly blown away at all the former ASA planes flying around the SKYW system. I saw 4 of them in one shot sitting in Denver yesterday. Sad.
Lot of good that did. **** Skywest! |
Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2585160)
FAs are being offered some sort of pittance for early retirement. It’s like 2 months pay or something like that.
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
(Post 2563404)
If you're just starting out in this business I think you have nothing to lose by coming here except six months seniority somewhere else. XJT is like one of those stocks that's been beaten down. If you get in on the bottom and things turn around you look like a genius. If things do fold you've lost little.
Personally, I don't see things folding. The CRJ side lost the DAL flying last summer and the transition to Endeavor picking it up hasn't been as great as all the suits thought it would be. This isn't 2012 when Comair pilots had nowhere else to go. Pilots immediately started leaving for SkyWest and UAL's competition and it's gotten so bad that the CEO of Inc has had several meetings with the ERJ/CRJ MEC chairmen on how to stem the hemorrhaging pilot numbers. We were supposed to keep flying until the end of 2018, but that slipped to October 2018 due to a lack of pilots. Now there are rumors that we will shut down the DAL flying this summer. DAL asked us to hold off delivery of the final -900's as Endeavor couldn't staff them, but we told them the schedule is set and they can pay the leases on airplanes that sit, not us. So that leaves us with UAL flying. UAL tried to transfer the ERJ's to CommuteAir, but they had issues taking as many as they said they could. I hear the transfer is picking up again, but both sides are pretty much taking ERJ's out of the desert as soon as they can man them. The idea of someone suddenly being able to find pilots to staff 100+ ERJ's in this environment is ludicrous. But then again, it is United. Who knows what they will try to do. As for the rumors that UAL is/has purchased us... well, look around at this forum. The same rumor is floating around every UAL feeder in some shape or form. |
Originally Posted by Mogollon
(Post 2592750)
One of the better responses on this forum Blackhawk... sounds like good info from a level headed pilot. Long time pilot considering Express Jet. Thanks for the info!
With both American and Delta bringing their regional flying in-house, it is logical that United would consider the same thoughts. With Xjet being a “bad fit” for SKW, I would think SKW would gladly consider selling to United if the price was right. And, with Xjet becoming a United only carrier, a former United (Continential) wholly owned regional, and providing the bulk of the United flying out of IAH, I think Xjet makes for a good fit. The two things I disagree with his analysis is the loss of time in the left seat that other non-wholly owned regionals are offering, and the loss of a flow to a major that the wholly owned regionals are offering. So, for a pilot wanting to work for United ultimately, Xjet is worth a chance. Anywhere else, I would go to SKW on the CRJ where Delta and Southwest are devouring their pilots once they hit 1,000 TPIC. |
Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2592887)
The big difference in the rumor about United purchasing Xjet is that the rumor was repeated in Bloomberg News. If journalistic standards were followed, which I have no reason to doubt, this rumor would have required being confirmed by sources within Xjet or United management. No other regional has had this type of rumor published by the press.
With both American and Delta bringing their regional flying in-house, it is logical that United would consider the same thoughts. With Xjet being a “bad fit” for SKW, I would think SKW would gladly consider selling to United if the price was right. And, with Xjet becoming a United only carrier, a former United (Continential) wholly owned regional, and providing the bulk of the United flying out of IAH, I think Xjet makes for a good fit. |
Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma
(Post 2592994)
Rumor isn’t reality. Just ask any CRJ pilot what that reality is. Fewer than six months left in the DL world and less than a year in the AA system yet no word on where we’ll wind up and no ability to exercise our ‘seniority’. Good times indeed.
I feel like there’s good news coming, as I’ve heard that the AA announcement is a key player in “good news” around the corner. We’ll know by the end of May if the rumors are indeed true, but I hope we can get things worked out as a pilot group and start working together for a change. There’s lot of good folks that are L-ASA, and lots of good L-XJT people as well. INC and their kool-aid drinking kooks are hopefully going to be a distant memory and we can get out of “bastard-child” status. Yes, INC, XJT hates you and the slow death spiral you’ve put us in so your non-union slaves can continue to grow. |
Why would Skywest sell XJT to UA and essentially create a competitor for themselves? That makes no sense at all especially when they can transfer assets and liquidate the company over time. There is no talk here at United about purchasing XJT or any regional for that matter. Stop spreading this nonsense that UA has grand plans for XJT. No more excuses, the time to leave was yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
(Post 2593075)
Why would Skywest sell XJT to UA and essentially create a competitor for themselves? That makes no sense at all especially when they can transfer assets and liquidate the company over time. There is no talk here at United about purchasing XJT or any regional for that matter. Stop spreading this nonsense that UA has grand plans for XJT. No more excuses, the time to leave was yesterday.
But whatever has (or has not), happened there seems to be more to the rumor this time. We’ve already been told that there will probably be some base announcements by the end of the month in addition to the official announcement of a TYS virtual base. If this is true then there will be some losers as well. UAL is scoped out so it will be a reshuffling if flying not new flying. If so, some pilots who chased the quick upgrade may be sorely disappointed. Nothing to lose by hanging out here a little longer. |
Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
(Post 2593075)
Why would Skywest sell XJT to UA and essentially create a competitor for themselves? That makes no sense at all especially when they can transfer assets and liquidate the company over time. There is no talk here at United about purchasing XJT or any regional for that matter. Stop spreading this nonsense that UA has grand plans for XJT. No more excuses, the time to leave was yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
(Post 2593075)
Why would Skywest sell XJT to UA and essentially create a competitor for themselves? That makes no sense at all especially when they can transfer assets and liquidate the company over time. There is no talk here at United about purchasing XJT or any regional for that matter. Stop spreading this nonsense that UA has grand plans for XJT. No more excuses, the time to leave was yesterday.
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Originally Posted by gojo
(Post 2593180)
Do you really believe that there would be talk internally regarding an airline acquisition?
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
(Post 2593075)
Why would Skywest sell XJT to UA and essentially create a competitor for themselves? That makes no sense at all especially when they can transfer assets and liquidate the company over time. There is no talk here at United about purchasing XJT or any regional for that matter. Stop spreading this nonsense that UA has grand plans for XJT. No more excuses, the time to leave was yesterday.
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Originally Posted by asa rat
(Post 2593239)
Maybe because Skywest doesn't own the UA flying? Just a thought.
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How will an evaluation of growth work out for an airline that only has 50 seat jets? Kirby and crew want big rj’s and not 50 seaters. At this point their only option to add those is to add another mainline fleet which would allow a few more big rj’s or to have mainline pilots fly them. I don’t really see a plan for growth when the regionals are having trouble staffing what is on the books now.
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2593258)
The given reason why they bought L-XJT was to diminish the competition. (Couldn’t have a bankrupt airline undercuting contracts)... Any businessman would know the sell would have some sort of kick back, maybe a 10 year extension on the OO contracts, or 40 more aircraft, Ect..... Im still not sure a sell will happen atleast not tell 2019 or later.. I feel what is happening to XJT is more of a “reset”. Back to the basic 1 aircraft type, centralized operation. Stabilize for a few years. Then evaluate growth... .
1. SkyWest wanted an in with CAL before the eventual “scope relief.” Didn’t matter because of the ual merger. 2. SkyWest was led on by CAL to buy Expressjet because of the beef between Reem and Kellner. SkyWest tried to buyout the BOD and they were rejected. The CFO at CAL wrote a memo to SkyW saying since they didn’t take we will give them an ultimatum if you’re ok with the contract. So then CAL says “we won’t do any CPA with XJT unless they return all the planes flying branded and they fly this (horrible) CPA.” So the board said fine Skywest you can have it. Then sky west complained years that we weren’t profitable and still aren’t somehow even though everyone else is giving out these bonuses and pay raises. |
Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
(Post 2593289)
Wrong on two points.
1. SkyWest wanted an in with CAL before the eventual “scope relief.” Didn’t matter because of the ual merger. 2. SkyWest was led on by CAL to buy Expressjet because of the beef between Reem and Kellner. SkyWest tried to buyout the BOD and they were rejected. The CFO at CAL wrote a memo to SkyW saying since they didn’t take we will give them an ultimatum if you’re ok with the contract. So then CAL says “we won’t do any CPA with XJT unless they return all the planes flying branded and they fly this (horrible) CPA.” So the board said fine Skywest you can have it. Then sky west complained years that we weren’t profitable and still aren’t somehow even though everyone else is giving out these bonuses and pay raises. |
SkyWest does not own the UAL flying. They service a contract for UAL. If SkyWest were to overplay their hand they could find UAL acquiring a different regional and taking away the Inc flying to boot leaving them with zip. Selling could put them in a position with servicing UAL flying for several years.
I think the majors have made it clear they want most of the regional flying in-house with just a few major players such as Inc picking up slack. I think there will be some major shakeups over the next few months. Some pilots chasing the upgrades may find they reached for the wrong brass ring. |
Somebody moved their cheese......
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Here's a carrot... Wait for the stick.
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2593258)
The given reason why they bought L-XJT was to diminish the competition. (Couldn’t have a bankrupt airline undercuting contracts)... Any businessman would know the sell would have some sort of kick back, maybe a 10 year extension on the OO contracts, or 40 more aircraft, Ect..... Im still not sure a sell will happen atleast not tell 2019 or later.. I feel what is happening to XJT is more of a “reset”. Back to the basic 1 aircraft type, centralized operation. Stabilize for a few years. Then evaluate growth... .
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
(Post 2593405)
Here's a carrot... Wait for the stick.
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
(Post 2593328)
SkyWest does not own the UAL flying. They service a contract for UAL. If SkyWest were to overplay their hand they could find UAL acquiring a different regional and taking away the Inc flying to boot leaving them with zip. Selling could put them in a position with servicing UAL flying for several years.
I think the majors have made it clear they want most of the regional flying in-house with just a few major players such as Inc picking up slack. I think there will be some major shakeups over the next few months. Some pilots chasing the upgrades may find they reached for the wrong brass ring. Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American. This is all changing very fast. |
Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2595141)
You know this already (almost) happened. Inc told United that Expressjet would keep flying for United if United paid up and Expressjet was profitable. United bought C5 to do as you said but found the environment harder than expected and for reliability reasons came back to the table with inc and Expressjet.
Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American. This is all changing very fast. |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2595360)
C5 just didn’t have the scale and experience to succeed in such a rapid ramp up. Hence why XJT is a great fit for what UA needs.
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Originally Posted by texaspropguy
(Post 2595577)
....about 5 yrs ago. Not any more. United **** in their own bed by trying to manipulate their regional feed to squelch the upsurge in spinal character towards fighting for quality changes in RJ QOL and pay. Eagle voted no to concessions with us I th vote heard around the ALPA world. Now not only does XJT pay for that, but United is paying for trying to alter-ego us out of the market. The only winner so far has been OO, Spirit, Alligiant (2 airlines hiring 0-TPIC to narrowbody aircraft), and the other regionals our FO’s are going to after a year or so to do street captain. All of this weakening United as a result.
I am on the side of believing that XJT is being set up to be sold to United once the American business is wound down. Providing severance packages points to XJT as a going concern, which only makes sense if XJT is either going to remain in business or is going to be sold. |
Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2595631)
Possibly.... Both C5 and YV are struggling to staff IAD. XJT has many resources on the CRJ side. I would agree that XJT has an opening in IAD. I am not exactly sure why it needs to be CRJ’s unless United has those jets becoming available from another base.
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2596099)
UA is shifting UAX out of EWR to IAD. There’s all the 145s they need, but they probably want some bigger RJs there as well.
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2596127)
And, Republic or SkyWest can’t staff United’s bigger RJ of choice, the E175 out of IAD? Good rumor though.
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home. |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2596135)
Not a rumor...
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home. In the announcement you posted, United announces increased 175 flying out of Newark (Republic) and EAS 200 flying out of Dulles (SkyWest). I don’t see any large RJ adds to Dulles. Where do you see that in this article? |
Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2596148)
... Hence, the severance packages.
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Originally Posted by texaspropguy
(Post 2596237)
What severance packages?
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2596148)
I assume United will wait to buy XJT until after the American CRJ side is wound down. When United buys XJT, they will spin its pilots up on the 175 - not the 900. United will want a clean company without a lot of unresolved liabilities. Hence, the severance packages.
In the announcement you posted, United announces increased 175 flying out of Newark (Republic) and EAS 200 flying out of Dulles (SkyWest). I don’t see any large RJ adds to Dulles. Where do you see that in this article? |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2598521)
The CPA being negotiated currently is for CR7s I believe.
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2598642)
Where are the 700’s coming from?
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2598717)
The American and Delta side of XJT.
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2598730)
I thought SGU has all those committed for SKW flying already.
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
(Post 2598743)
Unless there’s an announcement, your belief is the safe assumption. They are trying to place the 700’s owned by XJT with United somehow. For now, as Delta operations shut down, they are being transferred to the American side. Once American operations shut down, they will either go to the (unannounced at this point) United side or over to SkyWest.
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
(Post 2596148)
I assume United will wait to buy XJT until after the American CRJ side is wound down. When United buys XJT, they will spin its pilots up on the 175 - not the 900. United will want a clean company without a lot of unresolved liabilities. Hence, the severance packages.
In the announcement you posted, United announces increased 175 flying out of Newark (Republic) and EAS 200 flying out of Dulles (SkyWest). I don’t see any large RJ adds to Dulles. Where do you see that in this article? |
Originally Posted by giggity37
(Post 2598796)
You know it takes almost a year to get a new type on a certificate.
I am a sucker for believing in the unlikely: I believe SGU plans to sell XJT to United once American flying is gone. United won’t have a problem investing in XJT as a wholly owned. I am just being skeptical given SGU’s track record of investing further in XJT on their own dime. |
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