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Blackhawk 04-06-2018 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2566034)
Do these pilots think that they have a future in a world where training records follow you? I can’t imagine a LCC or major airline regardless of if it is an off the street interview or some type of CPP deal looking at an applicant who has had multiple repeat sims or especially 100 hours of IOE needed just to pass and saying that they will do. Busting a private pilot ride 15 years ago or having one bad day in the sim can be explained, but how does an applicant to a major expect that they have a chance with that kind of record? Hopefully all of the mainline airlines will be forced to bring more flying in house because of this. I was really hoping that the guy that I was talking to was full of it. Glad you’re getting some good ones, but it sounds like there is an unacceptable number of bad ones too. The problem is that they are not being fired and sent home. If the flying public knew about this the legacy companies would have a mess on their hands.

Legacy carriers don't look at extra sims and how long it took to get off IOE doesn't really show up either. All that shows up are busted line checks and check rides.

I know for a fact that they have gotten some doozies, though most of the ones I know who moved on were good sticks. There was an infamous LASA pilot who had serious training issues. Picked up by a legacy and the training issues continued- couldn't make it through MD training. Rather than being terminated put into pilot recruiting until could hold an easier airframe. Now I hear in the training department. :rolleyes:

Archy Meatpants 04-06-2018 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2566025)
Eh. It’s the same old story. You get good Newbies that try to learn then you get the ones who can’t fly talking about direct entry captain positions.

You seem to think that if you haven't been in this industry for 10+ pathetic years then you can't fly. The ****** made you Gods gift to aviation ya pious SOB.

Blackhawk 04-06-2018 09:04 AM

Apparently we furloughed dispatchers last week and furlough of FA’s on the CRJ and ERJ side is beginning. Does not bode well.

DrunkenShytbird 04-06-2018 09:08 AM

[QUOTE=Puck Hawg;2564910]Full heartedly disagree about the family part. I have lots of friends that sit in traffic, an hour each day, just to wheel into the same 9-5 rat race that everyone else is. Those guys miss more ball games and practices than I do....and I’m a 13 year regional guy still on min days off....Yes, holidays, birthdays, and anniversaries are never easy to miss, but if you make your time off more about enjoying your time together with family, the job is easy. I’m on 3 weeks vacay right now, and I picked up a trip because my wife is getting irritated with me being home (HA!)

If you and the wife want to make it work, you can. It just takes commitment from both people. In today’s morally bankrupt society, giving up is the easy part.

No life as a commuter? Depends, although, I would argue that living in the majority of cesspool legacy hubs is more than worth the commute. I choose to commute because I want my children to live near family. Commuting adds a few hours a week to this chaotic career, but it’s nice to not be hung up in city traffic, high tax rates, or riding in urine soaked trains/subways.

To each their own, but, I’m able to truly enjoy my days off.[/QUOT

Yeah, it's interesting to hear others opinions & experiences with regard to this.

Packrat 04-06-2018 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2565982)
I find it hard to believe that any pilot who fails multiple sims would still be employed after just a couple failures. Needing 100 hours is also crazy.

It all depends on how badly you need pilots and how much the Company is willing to spend to get them up to speed.

Packrat 04-06-2018 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2566013)
I find it troubling that the ones that can’t keep up are able to stay. I don’t want them flying my family around. We were all new at one time but I have never heard of being able to have that many failures and stay employed. Some people should be washed out.

There are those that have had training glitches and those that will have training glitches. Be careful what you wish for.

flynd94 04-06-2018 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2566280)
Apparently we furloughed dispatchers last week and furlough of FA’s on the CRJ and ERJ side is beginning. Does not bode well.

Just asked my FA and she said nope on the ERJ side. They are offering 15/30 day COLA’s

Blackhawk 04-06-2018 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2566409)
Just asked my FA and she said nope on the ERJ side. They are offering 15/30 day COLA’s

Well, I know you already have some furloughed who are working the CRJ side. They may be counting those FAs.

Itsajob 04-06-2018 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2566338)
There are those that have had training glitches and those that will have training glitches. Be careful what you wish for.

A training glitch is an extra sim or two, not multiple repeats, rolled over to the next class to start over, being sent back to fixed based trainers because you can’t handle full flight sims, or 4-5 times the normal time required for IOE. The concept of just train until they catch on is completely foreign to me, but if that is what you have to work with, I guess you’re stuck with it. I guess I’m just old and expect people to show up ready to dance. My experience has been that knowing that I had to step up my game or get fired produced results. Studying 727 systems 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 3 straight weeks wasn’t fun, but I knew the plane and was ready for my oral exam. It just seems that now the training (regional and major) is a 4-5 day on, 2-3 day off, finish when you can type of deal. I don’t think that is a good thing.

DirkDiggler 04-06-2018 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2566280)
Apparently we furloughed dispatchers last week and furlough of FA’s on the CRJ and ERJ side is beginning. Does not bode well.

This place is shutting down. Anyone who doesn't think so is either smoking some good ganja or in severe denial.


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