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asa rat 05-15-2018 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2593258)
The given reason why they bought L-XJT was to diminish the competition. (Couldn’t have a bankrupt airline undercuting contracts)... Any businessman would know the sell would have some sort of kick back, maybe a 10 year extension on the OO contracts, or 40 more aircraft, Ect..... Im still not sure a sell will happen atleast not tell 2019 or later.. I feel what is happening to XJT is more of a “reset”. Back to the basic 1 aircraft type, centralized operation. Stabilize for a few years. Then evaluate growth... .

Any businessman would also know that early termination clauses are in most contracts.

texaspropguy 05-16-2018 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by AboveMins (Post 2593405)
Here's a carrot... Wait for the stick.

I feel like I get beat with the stick while OO eats my carrot.

WesternSkies 05-16-2018 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2593328)
SkyWest does not own the UAL flying. They service a contract for UAL. If SkyWest were to overplay their hand they could find UAL acquiring a different regional and taking away the Inc flying to boot leaving them with zip. Selling could put them in a position with servicing UAL flying for several years.
I think the majors have made it clear they want most of the regional flying in-house with just a few major players such as Inc picking up slack. I think there will be some major shakeups over the next few months. Some pilots chasing the upgrades may find they reached for the wrong brass ring.

You know this already (almost) happened. Inc told United that Expressjet would keep flying for United if United paid up and Expressjet was profitable. United bought C5 to do as you said but found the environment harder than expected and for reliability reasons came back to the table with inc and Expressjet.
Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American.
This is all changing very fast.

da42pilot 05-16-2018 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2595141)
You know this already (almost) happened. Inc told United that Expressjet would keep flying for United if United paid up and Expressjet was profitable. United bought C5 to do as you said but found the environment harder than expected and for reliability reasons came back to the table with inc and Expressjet.
Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American.
This is all changing very fast.

C5 just didn’t have the scale and experience to succeed in such a rapid ramp up. Hence why XJT is a great fit for what UA needs.

texaspropguy 05-16-2018 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2595360)
C5 just didn’t have the scale and experience to succeed in such a rapid ramp up. Hence why XJT is a great fit for what UA needs.

....about 5 yrs ago. Not any more. United **** in their own bed by trying to manipulate their regional feed to squelch the upsurge in spinal character towards fighting for quality changes in RJ QOL and pay. Eagle voted no to concessions with us I th vote heard around the ALPA world. Now not only does XJT pay for that, but United is paying for trying to alter-ego us out of the market. The only winner so far has been OO, Spirit, Alligiant (2 airlines hiring 0-TPIC to narrowbody aircraft), and the other regionals our FO’s are going to after a year or so to do street captain. All of this weakening United as a result.

calmwinds 05-16-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by texaspropguy (Post 2595577)
....about 5 yrs ago. Not any more. United **** in their own bed by trying to manipulate their regional feed to squelch the upsurge in spinal character towards fighting for quality changes in RJ QOL and pay. Eagle voted no to concessions with us I th vote heard around the ALPA world. Now not only does XJT pay for that, but United is paying for trying to alter-ego us out of the market. The only winner so far has been OO, Spirit, Alligiant (2 airlines hiring 0-TPIC to narrowbody aircraft), and the other regionals our FO’s are going to after a year or so to do street captain. All of this weakening United as a result.

Possibly.... Both C5 and YV are struggling to staff IAD. XJT has many resources on the CRJ side. I would agree that XJT has an opening in IAD. I am not exactly sure why it needs to be CRJ’s unless United has those jets becoming available from another base. If SGU’s past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, I would expect OO to open a CRJ base at IAD for United before XJT though. OO is already lining up flying into IAD on the CRJ200 for EAS.

I am on the side of believing that XJT is being set up to be sold to United once the American business is wound down. Providing severance packages points to XJT as a going concern, which only makes sense if XJT is either going to remain in business or is going to be sold.

da42pilot 05-17-2018 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2595631)
Possibly.... Both C5 and YV are struggling to staff IAD. XJT has many resources on the CRJ side. I would agree that XJT has an opening in IAD. I am not exactly sure why it needs to be CRJ’s unless United has those jets becoming available from another base.

UA is shifting UAX out of EWR to IAD. There’s all the 145s they need, but they probably want some bigger RJs there as well.

calmwinds 05-17-2018 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2596099)
UA is shifting UAX out of EWR to IAD. There’s all the 145s they need, but they probably want some bigger RJs there as well.

And, Republic or SkyWest can’t staff United’s bigger RJ of choice, the E175 out of IAD? Good rumor though.

da42pilot 05-17-2018 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2596127)
And, Republic or SkyWest can’t staff United’s bigger RJ of choice, the E175 out of IAD? Good rumor though.

Not a rumor...

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs

I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home.

calmwinds 05-17-2018 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by da42pilot (Post 2596135)
Not a rumor...

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs

I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home.

I assume United will wait to buy XJT until after the American CRJ side is wound down. When United buys XJT, they will spin its pilots up on the 175 - not the 900. United will want a clean company without a lot of unresolved liabilities. Hence, the severance packages.

In the announcement you posted, United announces increased 175 flying out of Newark (Republic) and EAS 200 flying out of Dulles (SkyWest). I don’t see any large RJ adds to Dulles. Where do you see that in this article?


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