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jcountry 05-22-2018 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2599487)
Not my understanding. They can own a regional, it just has to be staffed by UAL FAs.

It’s OK.

Easy to bribe them with kittens. I figure a kitten 6 pack crazy cat lady starter kit would suffice:

PontiusPilot 05-22-2018 08:25 AM

Does anyone think United FAs would want to staff our lowly 145s? I'm sure they're just dying to be able to bid for those CAK overnights.

I think anyone believing the FA contract would prevent United ownership is fooling themselves. If United has the will, they will find a way. ($)

We will see if they do.

Blackhawk 05-22-2018 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by PontiusPilot (Post 2599641)
Does anyone think United FAs would want to staff our lowly 145s? I'm sure they're just dying to be able to bid for those CAK overnights.

I think anyone believing the FA contract would prevent United ownership is fooling themselves. If United has the will, they will find a way. ($)

We will see if they do.

You're assuming old UAL/Continental FA's would act rationally. That is a really big assumption.

Blackhawk 05-22-2018 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2599616)
It’s OK.

Easy to bribe them with kittens. I figure a kitten 6 pack crazy cat lady starter kit would suffice:

Now that's funny.

Baddog 05-22-2018 09:01 AM

Anyone notice the lack of advertising for pilot recruitment ?

To even speculate if u/cal would be interested in Exjet is a very dim thought. Soon, the Asa side will be gone with the completion of the aa contract and sgu will, “place” the remaining aircraft with the lowest cost side.

The elephant in the room that no one is talking about is $70 oil, soon to be $100 that will, “surely” kill off the 145.

Surejet wont make it through September.

TFAYD.

PontiusPilot 05-22-2018 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Baddog (Post 2599672)
To even speculate if u/cal would be interested in Exjet is a very dim thought. Asa side will be gone with the completion of the aa contract and sgu will, “place” the remaining aircraft with the lowest cost side.

The elephant in the room that no one is talking about is $70 oil, soon to be $100 that will, “surely” kill off the 145.

Surejet wont make it through September.

TFAYD.

Right. United will immediately be able to replace all current 145 flying with scoped out 175s and mainline narrowbodies by September.

Dim thought: Exhibit A

Blackhawk 05-22-2018 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Baddog (Post 2599672)
Anyone notice the lack of advertising for pilot recruitment ?

To even speculate if u/cal would be interested in Exjet is a very dim thought. Soon, the Asa side will be gone with the completion of the aa contract and sgu will, “place” the remaining aircraft with the lowest cost side.

The elephant in the room that no one is talking about is $70 oil, soon to be $100 that will, “surely” kill off the 145.

Surejet wont make it through September.

TFAYD.

I agree with the lack of recruiting money especially compared to Inc.
Also, I'm neutral on our future, maybe 50/50.
But I think September is rather unrealistic. UAL will still need the feed to fill the larger jets and they don't have anything they can use to replace the 145 at this point, except maybe CRJ's. They already tried to transfer 145s to CommutAir and that fell flat. If they announced today the transfer of flying to someone else it would probably take a year to do so.

Baddog 05-22-2018 09:47 AM

I’m thinking, everyone will be surprised at how fast they wind down surejet.

Aca, Eagle, comair, asa and now, surejet will go the way of the dodo only because of operating costs, (very senior pilot group with decent contract and benefits).
History cannot be ignored especially with regards to regional feed and Oscar isn’t going to change that m.o. any time soon.

Surejet won’t last long with oil @ $100.

Blackhawk 05-22-2018 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Baddog (Post 2599710)
I’m thinking, everyone will be surprised at how fast they wind down surejet.

Aca, Eagle, comair, asa and now, surejet will go the way of the dodo only because of operating costs, (very senior pilot group with decent contract and benefits).
History cannot be ignored especially with regards to regional feed and Oscar isn’t going to change that m.o. any time soon.

Surejet won’t last long with oil @ $100.

Eagle is still around, though now Envoy. ACA and Comair were a different time- ACA after 9/11, Comair the tail end of the "great recession" when you could look under any overpass near an airport and find 12 out of work pilots. It took Endeavor over a year to absorb the RJ flying- the challenge is finding qualified captains. Not sure who would absorb 100+ worth of 145 flying right now when regionals are struggling to find pilots. I've never seen airlines so desperate for fresh meat to fill seats. Most are paying for RW pilots to get the FW time necessary for a R-ATP. While we are still top heavy, even the costs are coming in line.
You can't ignore history, but don't drive by looking in the rearview mirror. But you are right that $100 oil may throw a wrench in things.

Itsajob 05-22-2018 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2599151)
If UAL acquires XJT, UAL already “own” the 145’s (even though they are leasing them from Wells Fargo). XJT pilots would be an excellent fit. UAL gets the 121 certificate, the pilots and UAL already has the planes.

I don’t think that United wants a bunch of tired 50 seat jets. They’re simply stuck with them because they’re maxed out on scope. The Max starts operating in 2 weeks. They’re 161 on the way and each one can replace the available seats of 3.5 rj’s. The pilots can be had for the cost of an interview. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?


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