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DownInPetaluma 05-13-2020 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by HighWingingIt (Post 3054830)
Pizza Party’s

Parties* No possessive required.

ReadOnly7 05-13-2020 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Awesomepilot18 (Post 3054775)
those are all gone since they are eliminating all non essential spending.

How DARE you call Acey Days “non essential”?!

tonsterboy5 05-13-2020 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by piloto2 (Post 3054527)
I heard they got a $100M grant to cover 75% of the payroll and $40M in the form of a loan to cover operating expenses. I understand that the 75% doesn't cover the full payroll, but 100% of the employees aren't working either. I'm also curious about the operating expense loan. Since XJT is essentially a staffing company, and United pays for fuel, planes, ground services, etc. what actual operating expenses does the company pay for?

100 million will cover 100%+ of the payroll for the 6 months of the cares act. Hear me out before you attack me saying no it won’t.
First, 100m/3000 employees= 33,333 per employee for 6 months. FOs at year 2 make 42 an hour for 75 hours which is 18,900 per fo. Captains make 88 an hour at year 10 or 39,600 for the 6 month period. There are a total of 1300 pilots at express jet and assuming a 60/40 CA/FO split that would be 780@39600 or $30,888,000 and 520@18900 or $9,828,000 Which bring the total flight deck income to $40,716,000 for the 6 months. Next is the FAs with 1000 FAs at an average seniority of about 13 years. That would put them at an average of $37 an hour. 37x80=2960 2960x6= $17760 or $17,760,000 for 6 months. This brings the total crew salary for 6 months to $58,476,000 that leaves $42m for remaining 700 employees or $60k for 6 months or 120k a year per person. The math just doesn’t add up unless the ceo is getting a huge bonus after paying everyone thanks to uncle sam

happyfunbags 05-13-2020 11:20 AM

Don't worry guys unemployment is great! Did you know refrigerators still come in boxes?

Itsajob 05-13-2020 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3054965)
100 million will cover 100%+ of the payroll for the 6 months of the cares act. Hear me out before you attack me saying no it won’t.
First, 100m/3000 employees= 33,333 per employee for 6 months. FOs at year 2 make 42 an hour for 75 hours which is 18,900 per fo. Captains make 88 an hour at year 10 or 39,600 for the 6 month period. There are a total of 1300 pilots at express jet and assuming a 60/40 CA/FO split that would be 780@39600 or $30,888,000 and 520@18900 or $9,828,000 Which bring the total flight deck income to $40,716,000 for the 6 months. Next is the FAs with 1000 FAs at an average seniority of about 13 years. That would put them at an average of $37 an hour. 37x80=2960 2960x6= $17760 or $17,760,000 for 6 months. This brings the total crew salary for 6 months to $58,476,000 that leaves $42m for remaining 700 employees or $60k for 6 months or 120k a year per person. The math just doesn’t add up unless the ceo is getting a huge bonus after paying everyone thanks to uncle sam

Where do the cost of benefits, and having to match FICA taxes enter your example? There is more to employee cost than just hours times the rate.

tonsterboy5 05-13-2020 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3054989)
Where do the cost of benefits, and having to match FICA taxes enter your example? There is more to employee cost than just hours times the rate.

the average person is getting paid between 30-40% less just by dropping to minimums. But with the remaining people averaging about 60k a year that leaves 20 million in taxes and benefits. After everything they might be braking even in personal cost. Only money going out is pure overhead which they are bringing in. Uncle Sam is pretty much covering the entire operation.

tonsterboy5 05-13-2020 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3054999)
the average person is getting paid between 30-40% less just by dropping to minimums. But with the remaining people averaging about 60k a year that leaves 20 million in taxes and benefits. After everything they might be braking even in personal cost. Only money going out is pure overhead which they are bringing in. Uncle Sam is pretty much covering the entire operation.

Remember that expressjet doesn’t own ANYTHING. It is a just a staffing company

ReadOnly7 05-13-2020 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3054965)
100 million will cover 100%+ of the payroll..... The math just doesn’t add up unless the ceo is getting a huge bonus after paying everyone thanks to uncle sam

And he woulda gotten away with it, too.....if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!!

piloto2 05-13-2020 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3054965)
100 million will cover 100%+ of the payroll for the 6 months of the cares act. Hear me out before you attack me saying no it won’t.
First, 100m/3000 employees= 33,333 per employee for 6 months. FOs at year 2 make 42 an hour for 75 hours which is 18,900 per fo. Captains make 88 an hour at year 10 or 39,600 for the 6 month period. There are a total of 1300 pilots at express jet and assuming a 60/40 CA/FO split that would be 780@39600 or $30,888,000 and 520@18900 or $9,828,000 Which bring the total flight deck income to $40,716,000 for the 6 months. Next is the FAs with 1000 FAs at an average seniority of about 13 years. That would put them at an average of $37 an hour. 37x80=2960 2960x6= $17760 or $17,760,000 for 6 months. This brings the total crew salary for 6 months to $58,476,000 that leaves $42m for remaining 700 employees or $60k for 6 months or 120k a year per person. The math just doesn’t add up unless the ceo is getting a huge bonus after paying everyone thanks to uncle sam

This doesn't even factor in the 100 or so pilots that took the COLA as well as the 130 others on some type of leave. Not sure how many flight attendants took COLA, but I don't think the numbers add up. Someone said earlier that since this is a private company, no transparency was required. Sorry, but after they took millions from the taxpayers I disagree!

UnitedExpress 05-14-2020 06:44 AM

I have a hard time believing XJT will burn thru $100M in the next 4 months with the amount of employees we have on min guarantee and 300+ employees out on unpaid COLA. They also received an additional loan for “operating expenses.” I’m now hearing the HEROES Act is now on the house floor that would prevent airlines from mass furloughs and re-organizing.


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