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RJpilot1 04-27-2020 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3043145)
Flight 296. Airbus 319. You are wrong.

As for the October 1st comment......classy.

(did you get tired of your “airlinepilot50” username?)

Our pilot group will make sure we survive this downturn —a disappointment to you and Itsapilot (username) hoping we shutdown.

point80 04-27-2020 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by RJpilot1 (Post 3043167)
Our pilot group will make sure we survive this downturn —a disappointment to you and Itsapilot (username) hoping we shutdown.

He nor anyone else is hoping XJT closes. If you bothered to read his statements he mentions that. But, you came out selling **** as if it was gold without any sources or facts. You came out making outrageous claims that the 50 seater will outperform every other aircraft during this downturn. So, how about you stop channeling your inner Nostradamus and add something to the conversation instead of getting your feeling hurt and being as defensive as a 15yo girl when people point out where your argument is flawed.

Itsajob 04-27-2020 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3043104)
well it depends if you think mil aught to cut in front of the line or not...that’s a value judgement apart from the issue of a common list.

If you think they should, the entry point could be determined.

If you think they shouldn’t, they enter with everyone else.

If you think the size of the industry is much smaller post-COVID,the Cessna folks might not get in the door at all.

None of this really argues for or against a common list — just implementation details.

The line cutting argument is why a brand seniority list wouldn’t work. The military pilot serves for 15-20 years, multiple long deployments, hazardous conditions, massive amounts of training and leadership development. The civilian pilot starts the same time at a regional airline, receives good training, and builds the necessary experience to start at the legacy. They both took different paths to get to the same point, a new hire class at a legacy. The military pilot isn’t cutting in line, and the civilian pilot didn’t take the easy route. Requiring military pilots to start at the bottom of the regional ranks after serving a 20 year career would be unacceptable.

flightlessbirds 04-27-2020 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3043193)
The line cutting argument is why a brand seniority list wouldn’t work. The military pilot serves for 15-20 years, multiple long deployments, hazardous conditions, massive amounts of training and leadership development. The civilian pilot starts the same time at a regional airline, receives good training, and builds the necessary experience to start at the legacy. They both took different paths to get to the same point, a new hire class at a legacy. The military pilot isn’t cutting in line, and the civilian pilot didn’t take the easy route. Requiring military pilots to start at the bottom of the regional ranks after serving a 20 year career would be unacceptable.

It could work. Just either in a way that favors or disfavors military pilots. The reasons a common list happens or doesn’t happen will have nothing to do with the interests of military pilots. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Not that they aren’t an important detail...but it’s a detail to be worked out not an argument for or against the idea (kind of like the issues of legacy children or experienced expat captains or 135/ACMI legacy hires). All could be dealt with in favorable or unfavorable ways if the overall sentiments were to enact a common list.

idlethrust 04-27-2020 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3042003)
Whoever has the dumpster fire gif animation handy would do well to post it again to keep up the tradition

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UnitedExpress 04-27-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3043193)
The line cutting argument is why a brand seniority list wouldn’t work. The military pilot serves for 15-20 years, multiple long deployments, hazardous conditions, massive amounts of training and leadership development. The civilian pilot starts the same time at a regional airline, receives good training, and builds the necessary experience to start at the legacy. They both took different paths to get to the same point, a new hire class at a legacy. The military pilot isn’t cutting in line, and the civilian pilot didn’t take the easy route. Requiring military pilots to start at the bottom of the regional ranks after serving a 20 year career would be unacceptable.

Military pilots should start at the bottom. It’s a second career for them and most have a retirement already. If I leave my job for any other flying job I would start at the bottom.

avi8tor614 04-27-2020 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 3043320)
Military pilots should start at the bottom. It’s a second career for them and most have a retirement already. If I leave my job for any other flying job I would start at the bottom.

Anyone who served my country can get in front of me any time. There is no amount of money that can repay them for the service they have given. They can have my slot anytime.

Itsajob 04-27-2020 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 3043320)
Military pilots should start at the bottom. It’s a second career for them and most have a retirement already. If I leave my job for any other flying job I would start at the bottom.

That’s a big part of why we have the system that we do today. When they leave the military, they go to the bottom of a legacy, when a regional pilot leaves brand X express, they also go to the bottom of a legacy. Military pilots aren’t going to serve their country for 20 years and then go start at the bottom of a regional list with people straight out of a Cessna flight school. They’ve done their time just like the senior regional captain. They go straight to a legacy.

flynd94 04-27-2020 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by RJpilot1 (Post 3043167)
Our pilot group will make sure we survive this downturn —a disappointment to you and Itsapilot (username) hoping we shutdown.


How long have you been at Xjet? I will bet that Read knows more then you give him credit. He(we) lived thru some of the best and absolute worse times at Xjet. Furloughs, downgrades, shrinking, SKY, the ASA merger and more.

ReadOnly7 04-27-2020 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3043420)
How long have you been at Xjet? I will bet that Read knows more then you give him credit. He(we) lived thru some of the best and absolute worse times at Xjet. Furloughs, downgrades, shrinking, SKY, the ASA merger and more.

pay “airlinepilot50” no mind. Besides.....he makes $300k a year with his side hustle, remember?


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