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captain beefy 04-30-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 1179200)
If you're not the one sining for the plane, then don't log it as PIC!

How about Cosine-ing? Or Tangent-ing?

SnoJet440 04-30-2012 04:14 PM

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

MatchPoint 04-30-2012 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1178920)
Theres a few different kinds of PIC time.

Essentially every airline looking at this stuff specifies that they only count PIC time where one was the person that signed for the aircraft.

If you log a couple minutes of PIC time here and there because of "sole manipulator" or some other technicality, though you may legally be justified in doing so, you're going to harm yourself more than it'd ever help. Thats going to get you on the receiving end of quite a few tough questions in an interview and you're not going to win.

When airlines say they want / prefer PIC time, they're saying they want what comes along with it... ie: being a captain. Not that you managed to figure out a way to put it into your logbook.

Could not have said it better myself.

stoki 04-30-2012 07:50 PM

I actually pretended one time when the captain left that I can't get the door open when he was trying to get back in so I can log an extra .1

jetstream11 05-01-2012 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by FDX8891 (Post 1178938)
Does anybody have any inside scoop on what they plan to do with us FO's? CT's latest message and every other company e-mail on the subject does a whole lot of of talking but not much of saying anything.

For those who don't have the 1500 hours by Aug. 2013 - Will they be let go by the company?

Will the company mandate flying for those who don't meet the time requirements so that they can meet them by Aug. 2013?

Will there be some sort of grandfather clause?

Anybody with any inside scoop whatsoever, please divulge.

Anybody have any info on this question? What happens for those without 1500? Or the xc time? Etc?

Bigshooter107 05-01-2012 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT (Post 1178961)
The company is more than welcome to take my trips for "training purposes" while I still get paid for them!:D

My guess for those without 1500 the company will work out a deal with ALPA to give those guys schedules to build them up to 1500. At legacy ASA I don't think it's much of a problem, we have not really hired much in a while.

A320 05-01-2012 07:18 AM

Step back a little. What happens when all the majors retire a couple thousand pilots next year? They are all coming from the regionals and none from the military. Whereare the regionals going to find ATP pilots to hire?

block30 05-01-2012 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1179677)
Step back a little. What happens when all the majors retire a couple thousand pilots next year? They are all coming from the regionals and none from the military. Whereare the regionals going to find ATP pilots to hire?

In the face of all this retiring that HAS to happen, the hiring machine at most companies remains quiet. Delta has cut capacity and pushed hiring back until who knows when? Is it that management has their plans in place? Not doing one for one hiree to retiree hiring? Or is this the calm before the sheet show?

TopNotch 05-01-2012 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1179677)
Step back a little. What happens when all the majors retire a couple thousand pilots next year? They are all coming from the regionals and none from the military. Whereare the regionals going to find ATP pilots to hire?

Perhaps they will have to raise salary. Don't feel sorry for the company, there's no true shortage. Just a shortage of pilots that will fly their planes for $24,000/yr, no prestige, no hot flight attendants.

People want money, power, and/or prestige. When all three are gone, noone shows up for work.

johnso29 05-01-2012 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1179683)
In the face of all this retiring that HAS to happen, the hiring machine at most companies remains quiet. Delta has cut capacity and pushed hiring back until who knows when? Is it that management has their plans in place? Not doing one for one hiree to retiree hiring? Or is this the calm before the sheet show?

Delta expects hiring as early as 2013(more like this year IMO) and no LATER then 2015.


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