ExpressJet H.R. 5900
 

Looks like starting in June all FO's going for their yearly CQ will be doing an ATP Type ride. Very nice, I was hearing management wasn't going to do the Type. But a message from CT squashed that.

I thought being typed was required by the law. Plus, doesn't taking an atp ride in an aircraft that requires a type beget a type rating? I know it does when its the other way around.

Kind of a double edged sword for the company. Added expenses in advanced training, along with giving a F.O.s a more marketable resume to move on easier. A lot of majors and legacies want to see an ATP and type. This will add a new dynamic to the hiring criteria given that most everyone will have one.

I'm sure they will come out with some kind of advanced ATP for a hiring requirement one day:rolleyes:

Now if you are ATP/Typed in airplane, and the captain takes a 30 minute poop, is that PIC time???? Oh man does that open Pandora's box!

If you didn't sign the release, you aren't the PIC. ;)

You didnt sign on the magical electronic line....

anyone want to quote the regs on that?? If the Captain vacates the cockpit for nature why not if one is typed and has an ATP?

You can log anything you want. But most major airlines ask how much PIC time you have as the person who signed for the airplane. As an FO, you will never "sign" for the aircraft, regardless of how much the real PIC poops.

Theres a few different kinds of PIC time.

Essentially every airline looking at this stuff specifies that they only count PIC time where one was the person that signed for the aircraft.

If you log a couple minutes of PIC time here and there because of "sole manipulator" or some other technicality, though you may legally be justified in doing so, you're going to harm yourself more than it'd ever help. Thats going to get you on the receiving end of quite a few tough questions in an interview and you're not going to win.

When airlines say they want / prefer PIC time, they're saying they want what comes along with it... ie: being a captain. Not that you managed to figure out a way to put it into your logbook.

Check your shoulders. 4 stripes? no? Don't log it. Or, feel free so those of us who don't play such shenanigans can have a better shot at moving on.