What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-05-2012 | 10:47 AM
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From: UniCal 737 FO
I just hope they can come up with something remotely fair. I'll vote on that. No growth will happen til then, so let's just get this done. And no, I'm not drinking any coolaid.
06-05-2012 | 11:00 AM
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Fact: ASA would not agree to fly the 8 700s at a loss. GoJet agreed to.
Expressjet lost flying for many more than 8 ERJs to continental. After failing a self branded operation, expressjet came back and agreed to fly the ERJs that it lost to continental at a loss (aka gojet style).
While this sucks, it's better than parking those ERJs all together. It's just funny how you bring up that ASA is in trouble because of the loss of 8 700s when XJET already had to deal with the same situation.
06-05-2012 | 11:05 AM
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You know, you make some valid points until your last sentence. However, I don't know of anyone here at the ERJ side that thinks Expressjet "saved" ASA. That sounds pretty ridiculous.
You do seem pretty bitter about the name change though.
If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure the company's were merged onto the ASA certificate, just that the name was changed. So technically your certificate still exists, just with our name on it.
The reality is that Skywest was financially strong enough that they could have bought Expressjet whether or not they had previously purchased ASA. They amount of cash they have right now is actually a little less than the cash they had on hand when they bought you, so had they not purchased ASA, they'd likely be in about the same spot. So while you make a valid point that ASA was part of Skywest when Skywest bought expressjet, it's not roaring profits from ASA were the only enabler of the deal. In fact, has not the Delta CPA been really bad for you guys over the past few years?
You do seem pretty bitter about the name change though.
If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure the company's were merged onto the ASA certificate, just that the name was changed. So technically your certificate still exists, just with our name on it.
The reality is that Skywest was financially strong enough that they could have bought Expressjet whether or not they had previously purchased ASA. They amount of cash they have right now is actually a little less than the cash they had on hand when they bought you, so had they not purchased ASA, they'd likely be in about the same spot. So while you make a valid point that ASA was part of Skywest when Skywest bought expressjet, it's not roaring profits from ASA were the only enabler of the deal. In fact, has not the Delta CPA been really bad for you guys over the past few years?
To goaround2000, get a reality check, the rest of the company isn't on edge to throw out alpa over some SLI disagreement. No one wants a usair situation. NO one, you talk as if you think the XJET pilot group will just bully a parent company and all their employees to get what they want no matter what. If everyone over there has your shortsightedness we are all screwed.
You're either new and naive, or you're one of the disgruntle 6 year f/o's salivating at the opportunity to get on any left seat. Either way, the company already said no flush bid due to training costs regardless of the SLI, so say hello to fences to protect not only seats, but bases.
06-05-2012 | 11:05 AM
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It's not paid. They usually nab u at the end of a trip for those tests anyways. It sucks at takes up about 20 min of your time. It's regulatory and mandated by the government, so that's probably why they get away with not paying us to do a drug test. I'm not sure if any airline pays u to take a **** test.
06-05-2012 | 11:06 AM
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The CRJ side is losing aircraft (700's that went to gojets), and now potentially losing 200 flying.
This is true for now. however, ASA side might be getting the pinnacles 900's, if not all 16, and the new Delta TA will allow for larger aircraft to replace the 50's. There will be a fence, so no bidding to other a/c or base for a few years. With that said, Delta could just take all of the 70/90's, along with the pilots to mainline, and grow the larger RJ's Thus being flown by Delta pilots. This would cut training cost and Delta would have a continuing work force without interruption. This could start a trend for all majors to follow. Either way this Delta TA is good....
This is true for now. however, ASA side might be getting the pinnacles 900's, if not all 16, and the new Delta TA will allow for larger aircraft to replace the 50's. There will be a fence, so no bidding to other a/c or base for a few years. With that said, Delta could just take all of the 70/90's, along with the pilots to mainline, and grow the larger RJ's Thus being flown by Delta pilots. This would cut training cost and Delta would have a continuing work force without interruption. This could start a trend for all majors to follow. Either way this Delta TA is good....
If there is a fence for "several" years I'm going to be really depressed. I was hoping that I'd have a shot to be back in Atlanta within 2 to 3 years tops of being hired at expressjet. If it takes another year before SLI and another two before having the chance to get back home that's going to put me in a tough spot.
06-05-2012 | 11:08 AM
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It's not paid. They usually nab u at the end of a trip for those tests anyways. It sucks at takes up about 20 min of your time. It's regulatory and mandated by the government, so that's probably why they get away with not paying us to do a drug test. I'm not sure if any airline pays u to take a **** test.
06-05-2012 | 11:10 AM
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Pilots arguing about the financial decisions of upper management is like the execs arguing over whose pilot have smoother landings -- pilots don't buy airlines and we pretty much have no control over the fate of our employer. Our career is a deadhead and all we can do is hope the guys up front end up taking us where we want to go relatively unscathed.
06-05-2012 | 11:13 AM
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06-05-2012 | 11:14 AM
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Pilots arguing about the financial decisions of upper management is like the execs arguing over whose pilot have smoother landings -- pilots don't buy airlines and we pretty much have no control over the fate of our employer. Our career is a deadhead and all we can do is hope the guys up front end up taking us where we want to go relatively unscathed.
06-05-2012 | 11:16 AM
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Pilots arguing about the financial decisions of upper management is like the execs arguing over whose pilot have smoother landings -- pilots don't buy airlines and we pretty much have no control over the fate of our employer. Our career is a deadhead and all we can do is hope the guys up front end up taking us where we want to go relatively unscathed.
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