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09-25-2012 | 11:49 AM
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So u think it's ok that a reserve guy that has pre existing credits for vacation, training ETC should just suck it. PBS has already looked at every other pilot before the lucky line holder and could not complete a schedule but if a guy can have a line by getting two four day trips to complete his schedule in a vacation month that's cool with u? Just dumb. It honors senority in that before any lucky line holder would get a line the software has decided there was no possible way any one else could get a full schedule with the remaining pairings. Unbelievable ..
The claim being that the lucky lineholder is abrogating seniority by getting a schedule that someone with a higher seniority in crew class was unable to get, due to the lack of pre-assigned credit value.
Big deal, move on. It's well liked and appreciated by our reserves that during the couple months they have vacation, and training (re: likely three months) that they'll be able to hold some sort of line and improve their QOL for that month.
It's very much looked upon as a positive within our pilot group. The pairings are available for that person because they could not be assigned to a more senior pilot due to conflicting trips or pre-assignments.
You know how we know the details of WHY someone more senior was unable to be awarded the pairing a junior pilot was assigned?
Full Bid Audits.
That's something else you guys need to ask your XJT Scheduling Committee...how do we verify the awards are CORRECT, and TRUE?
Guess what guys - no bid audits with SmartPref. Sucks huh? Just want to take them (them being the system creators) that the system's algorithms are working properly. And yet, your leadership wants to sell you a system with no checks or balances? No bid award audits. Blind trust. Really think thats the way to go? Where else in our lives do we just give blind trust to the system, without our ability to interact with it and verify it's condition?
Chalk that one up for another question for your XJT Scheduling Committee.
Also, the report brought many valid concerns. Many of which have already been in the works to resolve, such as the audit trail for the globalized group (it already provides and audit for the unrestricted group). They have also been working to rectify those GUI shortcomings that the report pointed out. In fact, every single concern, other than globalization itself, can be addressed. And globalization can be mitigated with the proper work rules such as having a minimum percentage of open time left over and having composite lines.
Some thoughts for you to voice of of your committee.
09-25-2012 | 12:22 PM
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Personally I don't have a problem with lucky lineholder concept. Good for them if they can enjoy a line when they have training and especially during vacation.
Also, the report brought many valid concerns. Many of which have already been in the works to resolve, such as the audit trail for the globalized group (it already provides and audit for the unrestricted group). They have also been working to rectify those GUI shortcomings that the report pointed out. In fact, every single concern, other than globalization itself, can be addressed. And globalization can be mitigated with the proper work rules such as having a minimum percentage of open time left over and having composite lines.
Some thoughts for you to voice of of your committee.
Also, the report brought many valid concerns. Many of which have already been in the works to resolve, such as the audit trail for the globalized group (it already provides and audit for the unrestricted group). They have also been working to rectify those GUI shortcomings that the report pointed out. In fact, every single concern, other than globalization itself, can be addressed. And globalization can be mitigated with the proper work rules such as having a minimum percentage of open time left over and having composite lines.
Some thoughts for you to voice of of your committee.
09-25-2012 | 03:26 PM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Personally I don't have a problem with lucky lineholder concept. Good for them if they can enjoy a line when they have training and especially during vacation.
Also, the report brought many valid concerns. Many of which have already been in the works to resolve, such as the audit trail for the globalized group (it already provides and audit for the unrestricted group). They have also been working to rectify those GUI shortcomings that the report pointed out. In fact, every single concern, other than globalization itself, can be addressed. And globalization can be mitigated with the proper work rules such as having a minimum percentage of open time left over and having composite lines.
Some thoughts for you to voice of of your committee.
Also, the report brought many valid concerns. Many of which have already been in the works to resolve, such as the audit trail for the globalized group (it already provides and audit for the unrestricted group). They have also been working to rectify those GUI shortcomings that the report pointed out. In fact, every single concern, other than globalization itself, can be addressed. And globalization can be mitigated with the proper work rules such as having a minimum percentage of open time left over and having composite lines.
Some thoughts for you to voice of of your committee.
09-25-2012 | 04:09 PM
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That's the company's primary goal. But their goal isn't necessarily mine. But you guys always seem to default to what the company wants without so much as a peep. Its a negotiation, not a roll over. And I'm not talking about huge amounts of open time anyway. Just enough so that people are not cemented into their schedules. However many junior pilots that is, is sufficient.
09-25-2012 | 05:41 PM
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That's the company's primary goal. But their goal isn't necessarily mine. But you guys always seem to default to what the company wants without so much as a peep. Its a negotiation, not a roll over. And I'm not talking about huge amounts of open time anyway. Just enough so that people are not cemented into their schedules. However many junior pilots that is, is sufficient.
09-25-2012 | 05:54 PM
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I am not getting this no open time assessment of pbs. We have had many trips left over in open time on top of the regular trip trading for as long as i can remember. While still maintaining an average 12% on reserve.
09-26-2012 | 06:57 AM
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I am not getting this no open time assessment of pbs. We have had many trips left over in open time on top of the regular trip trading for as long as i can remember. While still maintaining an average 12% on reserve.
09-26-2012 | 10:28 AM
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I certainly hope you guys have actually looked at the management bid run summaries then.
There is ALWAYS some trips in open time following the completion of schedules.
I would also take a WAG and say that value is more than 1% but less than 2%.
I can't speak for our scheduling committee, but knowing them as well as I do, the door is always open and last week when the XJT scheduling folks were in Atlanta they didn't once stop by. They didn't stop by to look at how we were finalizing the solutions. The leader of the XJT Scheduling committee has his head so far into the sand it'll take an earthquake for it to come loose.
The numbers won't lie, so long as they actually have a chance to be evaluated without having to go through the McPickle filter. There has never been a 0% opentime month at this company since PBS came on property.
Also, lets remember, that with PrefBid, CRJ pilots are bidding on the trips they want in the first place...no protracted line bidding, drop a whole bunch of garbage from the garbage line you were awarded, only to pick up the few pairings you wanted.
Bid what you want. Get awarded what you want. If you can't, then it was due to a lack of sufficient seniority. With a bid audit trail telling you why.
There is ALWAYS some trips in open time following the completion of schedules.
I would also take a WAG and say that value is more than 1% but less than 2%.
I can't speak for our scheduling committee, but knowing them as well as I do, the door is always open and last week when the XJT scheduling folks were in Atlanta they didn't once stop by. They didn't stop by to look at how we were finalizing the solutions. The leader of the XJT Scheduling committee has his head so far into the sand it'll take an earthquake for it to come loose.
The numbers won't lie, so long as they actually have a chance to be evaluated without having to go through the McPickle filter. There has never been a 0% opentime month at this company since PBS came on property.
Also, lets remember, that with PrefBid, CRJ pilots are bidding on the trips they want in the first place...no protracted line bidding, drop a whole bunch of garbage from the garbage line you were awarded, only to pick up the few pairings you wanted.
Bid what you want. Get awarded what you want. If you can't, then it was due to a lack of sufficient seniority. With a bid audit trail telling you why.
09-26-2012 | 01:05 PM
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Guys you can say what you want, but L-XJT is cheaper to operate per block hour in every sense of the word. GO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. We are more efficient in EVERY WAY. So why do you keep saying we won't be around if we keep our system? It is way cheaper than your system and everyone is happy doing it, not to mention we gross more than you while working less hours. Say what you want, but numbers don't lie.
So- either you are much less senior a group on average, or you are compensated less per hour of work performed. Dont see how you can be cheaper/ more efficient and make more for less work........ Or is that where the "new math" kicks in, or maybe alchemy??
FWIW, I like PBS. Some months it really works out well for me, some months, not so much. A lot like line bidding did, except that the trips we fly now suck a LOT more than the ones we did then (and that has nothing to do with the bidding system).
09-26-2012 | 02:39 PM
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Some good points, but........
As far as credit goes, everybody gets hung up on the CA rates. However, FO rates on 50 seat equipment are almost identical. The CA rates are similar till year 16, then the CRJ rates go ahead. Are there enough -200 CRJ CA's at that longevity rate that would ACTUALLY skew the numbers? Doubt it.
The amount of soft time in the ERJ CBA is much more than the CRJ's. Especially as it results to transition and training conflicts. Vacation touch and vacation low are similar. However, an ERJ pilot can get the big trip drop/conflict yet credit more than the 75 hr min in a vacation month, even if he doesn't pick up. So the ERJ CBA is less efficient/more costly than the CRJ's in those areas, yet the ERJ side is still cheaper.
Have you read through the ERJ CBA? The 401K match is higher, sick time accrual rate is higher. If you were to compare ERJ W2's to CRJ W's, I SERIOUSLY doubt your argument of lower compensation would be valid.
The amount of soft time in the ERJ CBA is much more than the CRJ's. Especially as it results to transition and training conflicts. Vacation touch and vacation low are similar. However, an ERJ pilot can get the big trip drop/conflict yet credit more than the 75 hr min in a vacation month, even if he doesn't pick up. So the ERJ CBA is less efficient/more costly than the CRJ's in those areas, yet the ERJ side is still cheaper.
The caveat is if your ancillary benefits (healthcare, etc.) are somehow vastly less costly.
So- either you are much less senior a group on average, or you are compensated less per hour of work performed. Dont see how you can be cheaper/ more efficient and make more for less work........ Or is that where the "new math" kicks in, or maybe alchemy??
So- either you are much less senior a group on average, or you are compensated less per hour of work performed. Dont see how you can be cheaper/ more efficient and make more for less work........ Or is that where the "new math" kicks in, or maybe alchemy??
Last edited by xjtguy; 09-26-2012 at 02:50 PM.
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