Well, whatever happens with XJT's JCBA, I wish you all the best. Enjoy it while it lasts...

 

When we are done having this conversation in lala land let us know so we can get back to reality. The XJT MEC proposed multiple ways to come to a mutual agreement via arbitration, external/ internal focus groups, ... And all were shot down. The ASA MEC shot those proposals down and instead of negotiating in good faith they proposed expensive and sometimes impossible solutions that weren't necessary. Is the "line in the sand" really the same from one MEC to the next?

Why are we arguing over this? This isn't contestable. All parties have come right out with what happened. Either you are being intentionally obtuse or somebody is lieing to you about what happened.

 

Speaking of lala land. The ASA MEC doesn't agree with what you are saying and there are individuals in company management that don't agree with what you are saying.

You may want to dwell on your own advice......

 

Wrong. The ASA MEC responded to the Binding Arbitration proposal with going through the process but making it advisory. Your MEC shut down at that point. Our side attempted to negotiate. Your side acted like children and refused to talk about it anymore.

The ASA MEC proposed an equal education campaign. Once again, rebuffed. They proposed turning both systems on at both properties. They were told no by both the XJT MEC and company.

The XJT MEC said SmartPref was the platform of choice without directly saying it. They also so at one point, no way Fligthline will happen. Line in the sand maybe? Our side continued to talk to yours. Our side makes their position known with a request to continue working on an agreement and your side institutes a gag order and won't talk with our guys at all. Next thing you know, the company suddenly wants to talk 70 seat rates under the guise of Section 26. Coincidence? Probably more like your guys started the whipsaw. Both sides share some blame but your MEC carries a bunch of blame as well. Asking the company to engage them in Sec 26 talks and then blaming the ASA MEC for their poor decision is classless.

Why? Who's try to work through this and who's playing games with 4000 pilots paying for their games.

 

Hey guys ^^^^^^

What gives?

 

You guys can create whatever alternate universe you want to live in but the company and a large majority of the pilot group(s) aren't buying your nonsense. Pretending like the negotiations went a certain way is just foolhardy. The truth has been posted on this forum but you refuse to believe it. I understand the frustration and animosity but you are backing the wrong horse. The way both MECs acted is poor at best but one MEC is torpedoing any hope of meaningful progress while a very able executive management is taking full advantage.

 

The XJT MEC blast mail says otherwise on many of your points. First, the company did offer dual parallel tracks. The ASA MEC turned it down. The XJT MEC offered the idea of a super committee which would have been advisory. The ASA MEC turned it down. The company offered the idea of third party binding arbitration. As you said, the ASA MEC turned down that idea.

And an education campaign? That is the most laughable thing I've heard! How long did they keep saying, "we already did our research years ago when we negotiated for flight line blah blah, we don't need to do it again." And now all of a sudden they want to educate us? They dragged their feet on their supposed PBS white paper. It had to be dragged out of them just to say they checked that box. This was all after they were slammed by Crewing Solutions for being unprofessional when they went to supposedly learn about Smartpref.

To be clear, the only idea that didn't have any preconceived notions or any bias whatsoever, third party binding arbitration, the ASA MEC, ALONE, turned it down!

Then, and only then, did the company walk away from joint contract negotiations and exercised their right to invoke section 26 of the XJT contract. And now a whole bunch of new conspiracy theories (remember the one where the XJT scheduling chair takes a cut for smartpref) about gag orders, whipsaw, back door negotiations surface. Only one place these rumors come from and its from the classless ones.

Just to reiterate so that no one is confused about it. It was the ASA MEC who turned down BINDING arbitration because they wouldn't be able to "rig" the outcome for flight line.

And to prove that last point, all this would be solved if the ASA MEC would to come out and say they want third party neutral arbitration. But like you said, they only want something that is "advisory." Gee, I wonder why they only want advisory while the XJT MEC was willing to go with binding arbitration? The answer is because the ASA MEC refuses any answer other than Flgihtline. If they cannot assure that flightline will be the final outcome, they turn it down. And this idea of advisory binding arbitration? Is that serious? We already knew that because they turned down that idea when it was brought up in the form of a super committee. Just that alone proves the ASA MEC is not serious about taking back their ultimatum.

Face it, your MEC played their cards the way they did and now we are where we are because of it. This just requires some simple critical thinking to figure out whats going on.

 

And this is why SkyWest will never merge the seniority list...

 

This finger pointing between MEC appointees is worthless. Both MECs are a bunch of children and need to be removed from office. However, L-XJT MEC chose to take the non-pay issues to the arbitrator instead of just the pay rate. (Dual qual, PBS system, seniority B scale pay). This was a direct attack on the ASA MEC, designed to undermine our negotiating power.

As far as I'm concerned, the JCBA is dead. At my pay level, L-XJTs 50+ rate is an $8/hr pay cut, and I won't even be "entitled" to 50+ pay since I'm less than 25th percentile company wide. Not to mention dual qual and having to learn the 200.

I don't know ANY L-ASA pilots that would approve that. so until then, our contract is now light years ahead of yours. Enjoy your concessions, and your new 76 seat airplanes. We can remain separate until the doors close for all I care. Max pay until the last day.

 

CA Tony, I'm not sure of your age, I believe you are pretty senior but are you looking elsewhere (Delta, UAL, Jblue etc......) or just going to see how this plays out?