Agreed. Sadly, however, I can see a lot of ignorant ASA guys supporting this POS TA after reading that email and summary. The union has started the spin job already (shameful) and the company will flank us with the fear campaign.

Edit: well now I'm hearing ALPA is assisting the company with the fear campaign. YGTBFSM.

Why is our union on their side??? This gem was a nice read. So the company didn't seek concessions, but we are giving up over lapping Vacation Low and Min Monthly Guarantee. It's like they are trying to fool us!

Vacation

It should be noted that the vacation section was negotiated prior to the terms of the Endeavor (formerly Pinnacle) agreement, and the scope agreements at Delta and United. This section is one of the best representations of merging language from the two properties. The Company did not seek any concessions in this section and accepted most of the language developed through our internal JNC negotiations.

As of yesterday I was leaning HEAVILY toward a yes vote. I was even ok with some concessions. I was even ready to try and convince our pilot group that some concessions were acceptable.

However after reading this TA. I am a NO vote. For the following reasons..

All of the reasons states on this thread.
-Loss of vacation low and vacation 75 MMG
-No Alt Dhead pay. As a commuter this equates to 25-30 hrs a year for me
-No duty rigs... C'mon really?!
-No REAL future pay raises
-PCT less then 75? You get paid your award..

And
The loss of the threshold in the bidding window...
- this will allow the company to set the TLV at 75 and the top of the window at 77. The company can actually make the whole company fly 77 hrs

- unstack window 6 days!!!! That would grab pretty much all lineholder a who don't have vacation.

Simply put. I'm a No

Just remember when you guys are considering your vote the kind of business you're in. Deciding on a contract based on what you deserve is not supported in the regional race-to-the-bottom always-someone-there-willing-to-take-your-seat contract flying environment. Instead of considering what you should be paid for your skills you should be considering what kind of contract could be supported in the current market.

Thanks, Jerry.

This why our industry is a joke. Some pilots actually think like this :rolleyes: The regionals do 50% of the majors flying and are not going anywhere because we are very cheap. Pilots are about to gain some major leverage in negotiations. There is a reason every regional is trying to lock in a contract before next year.

OMG! :eek: This thing is a joke. As a business women, I would tell this customer/vendor to go pound sand. Really?? I'm sorry, but there is NO REWARD in this thing for anyone except the company. Wow! If, I'm the company, I'm pushing pilots to sign this TA, it's the proverbial GOLDEN EGG for the company.

Yikes to the pilots who like this thing.

Expanding our views, what a great idea. Perhaps that should include the compensation trend of our three management groups. And why stop there, shouldn't they be compared to management compensation at other airlines?

I agree Bustin, the current market dictates that pilot wages, benefits, policy enhancements, QOL, etc. can be supported at MUCH HIGHER levels than the company is offering. Thanks for pointing that out.

I was talking to my best friend at SkyWest and she said the Flight Attendants over there voted "NO" on the vacation reduction. She also said, the company is trying to force the pilot group to acquiesce on the vacation thing too and the pilot group flat out refuses to give that up. In addition, my friend also said the company is trying to get the pilots to "Give More Flexibility" in their usage. From what I understand, it sounds like they want to reflow the pilots more, utilize reserves more freely, and basically make their lives a living hell. I don't know all the facts or details, but if it's anything like this TA, I can only imagine. Almost feels like I'm working for a crook.