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SiShane 11-24-2013 08:23 PM

Why does it take a month to get this vote done? It only takes 4 days to bid.

Hurryage65 11-24-2013 09:30 PM

As dumb as it sounds if your not in the "secret Facebook group for the TA" ask around for someone to invite you in...1040 strong already

Aeropug16 11-24-2013 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Hurryage65 (Post 1527623)
As dumb as it sounds if your not in the "secret Facebook group for the TA" ask around for someone to invite you in...1040 strong already

Dumb as it sounds if *you're*? ;)

Boomer 11-24-2013 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1526718)
c. A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended
period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange
an alternate method of contact.

So much for the definition of "rest" and "free of company obligation"

Electra 11-25-2013 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1527627)
So much for the definition of "rest" and "free of company obligation"

Originally Posted by todd1200 View Post
c. A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended
period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange
an alternate method of contact.


How DID that little gem get in there? That and having to call for release from duty at the end of every reserve trip is SkyWest management's wet dream.

bonesbrigade 11-25-2013 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Electra (Post 1527674)
Originally Posted by todd1200 View Post
c. A pilot on a layover who is away from his hotel for an extended
period of time will check for messages periodically or arrange
an alternate method of contact.


How DID that little gem get in there? That and having to call for release from duty at the end of every reserve trip is SkyWest management's wet dream.

We've always had to do that... however the contract stipulates that this phone call cannot result in a junior assignment or an extension.
Basically it's used as the last ditch effort to tag you with ready reserve early the next day!

ross9238 11-25-2013 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1527627)
So much for the definition of "rest" and "free of company obligation"

Exactly what I was thinking. This keeps getting better but we have some that think given the state of this industry right now, this is the best that we can do. :rolleyes:

MyMamma 11-25-2013 07:02 AM

So I am a former Comair pilot and now I work here on the ASA side. I see a great group of pilots here on both sides and I am happy to be a part things. I read the TA and a few forums and I have heard enough. All of you have made some great points. This TA is a real letdown. ALPA has done it again and it will be amusing listening to the reps in the crew loung sell this POS. ALPA coined the term “regional reality” in an email recently. Love it! There is no fight in them what so ever.
At Comair we were threatened with this and that so we would vote YES. The TAs passed and the promises they made were broken. They didn’t shut us down because we were not cost competitive. That was all BS. There are lots and lots or reasons why they did. So I will not let management scare me on this TA. I am voting NO. We can do better.
I had a beer with a LXJT pilot a few days ago. He said they have very low turnout during votes in the past. That’s discouraging. Help these folks log in and vote. We need everyone to participate. I heard someone suggest that no one show up at the road shows. I love that idea. Let’s put pilots outside the door and discourage any one from going in. Let those idiots sit in silence and think about what they have done.
And one more thing. I would like nothing more than to see this pilot group (ASA and XJT) for the next 2 months operate our schedules with professionalism and no game playing to slow things down. Just do our jobs they way we are expected to and then vote this steaming pile of crap down with over whelming results. 100% turnout.

AtlCSIP 11-25-2013 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by MyMamma (Post 1527743)
So I am a former Comair pilot and now I work here on the ASA side. I see a great group of pilots here on both sides and I am happy to be a part things. I read the TA and a few forums and I have heard enough. All of you have made some great points. This TA is a real letdown. ALPA has done it again and it will be amusing listening to the reps in the crew loung sell this POS. ALPA coined the term “regional reality” in an email recently. Love it! There is no fight in them what so ever.
At Comair we were threatened with this and that so we would vote YES. The TAs passed and the promises they made were broken. They didn’t shut us down because we were not cost competitive. That was all BS. There are lots and lots or reasons why they did. So I will not let management scare me on this TA. I am voting NO. We can do better.
I had a beer with a LXJT pilot a few days ago. He said they have very low turnout during votes in the past. That’s discouraging. Help these folks log in and vote. We need everyone to participate. I heard someone suggest that no one show up at the road shows. I love that idea. Let’s put pilots outside the door and discourage any one from going in. Let those idiots sit in silence and think about what they have done.
And one more thing. I would like nothing more than to see this pilot group (ASA and XJT) for the next 2 months operate our schedules with professionalism and no game playing to slow things down. Just do our jobs they way we are expected to and then vote this steaming pile of crap down with over whelming results. 100% turnout.

Excellent point. Maintain our professionalism, vote against the TA.

TBucket 11-25-2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by MyMamma (Post 1527743)
So I am a former Comair pilot and now I work here on the ASA side. I see a great group of pilots here on both sides and I am happy to be a part things. I read the TA and a few forums and I have heard enough. All of you have made some great points. This TA is a real letdown. ALPA has done it again and it will be amusing listening to the reps in the crew loung sell this POS. ALPA coined the term “regional reality” in an email recently. Love it! There is no fight in them what so ever.
At Comair we were threatened with this and that so we would vote YES. The TAs passed and the promises they made were broken. They didn’t shut us down because we were not cost competitive. That was all BS. There are lots and lots or reasons why they did. So I will not let management scare me on this TA. I am voting NO. We can do better.
I had a beer with a LXJT pilot a few days ago. He said they have very low turnout during votes in the past. That’s discouraging. Help these folks log in and vote. We need everyone to participate. I heard someone suggest that no one show up at the road shows. I love that idea. Let’s put pilots outside the door and discourage any one from going in. Let those idiots sit in silence and think about what they have done.
And one more thing. I would like nothing more than to see this pilot group (ASA and XJT) for the next 2 months operate our schedules with professionalism and no game playing to slow things down. Just do our jobs they way we are expected to and then vote this steaming pile of crap down with over whelming results. 100% turnout.


I have no (direct) dog in this fight, but this guy knows what's up.


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