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It sounds like a "concessionary" contract.... But it still sounds like its light years ahead of what PSA did.
My nephew at Eagle says your concessionary contract is still better than his in many ways. TIFWIW.

So much for Endeavor PSA being the new standard. Sorry you guys took a hit, but good job making it as small as you did.

Personally, your companies are all making money. Why is anybody taking concessions in that environment.

You should all ditch ALPA and form your own.

If pay raises go up every 18 months will some of us go back to our previous hourly rate? In Jan. '14 I will have been here less than 18 months.

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Originally Posted by MyMamma (Post 1527743)

So I am a former Comair pilot and now I work here on the ASA side. I see a great group of pilots here on both sides and I am happy to be a part things. I read the TA and a few forums and I have heard enough. All of you have made some great points. This TA is a real letdown. ALPA has done it again and it will be amusing listening to the reps in the crew loung sell this POS. ALPA coined the term “regional reality” in an email recently. Love it! There is no fight in them what so ever.
At Comair we were threatened with this and that so we would vote YES. The TAs passed and the promises they made were broken. They didn’t shut us down because we were not cost competitive. That was all BS. There are lots and lots or reasons why they did. So I will not let management scare me on this TA. I am voting NO. We can do better.
I had a beer with a LXJT pilot a few days ago. He said they have very low turnout during votes in the past. That’s discouraging. Help these folks log in and vote. We need everyone to participate. I heard someone suggest that no one show up at the road shows. I love that idea. Let’s put pilots outside the door and discourage any one from going in. Let those idiots sit in silence and think about what they have done.
And one more thing. I would like nothing more than to see this pilot group (ASA and XJT) for the next 2 months operate our schedules with professionalism and no game playing to slow things down. Just do our jobs they way we are expected to and then vote this steaming pile of crap down with over whelming results. 100% turnout.

I like the idea of line pilots standing guard at the doors of every road show discouraging people from entering. As a bonus, maybe standing there and handing out a bullet-point summary of WHY this TA is an insult to every pilot here. That way, those who do choose to enter can know what questions to ask.

The senior guys will vote yes with unbelievable solidarity. The other 75% of this list needs to vote NO with the same solidarity.

With the exception of senior pilot pay rates, a lot of this contract is worse than what PNCL was handed by Delta. And Delta INTENDED to shut them down even WITH that contract.

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Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1527843)

Personally, your companies are all making money. Why is anybody taking concessions in that environment.

Before consolidating the regionals (my guess is there ultimately will be only 2, Skywest and Republic), CEOs are smart (from a business perspective) to drive wages as low as possible. For at least another 5 years, there will remain enough captains who can't afford the first year pay cut at a major, and enough willing FOs needing to build competitive time to go to a major, to keep the regionals sufficiently staffed at just about any pay rate. Additionally, there is currently no shortage of furloughed Comair pilots and separating/retiring mil pilots willing to work at XJT for $23/hr, in hopes of eventually being called by a major...

My guess is that the regional CEOs know that their companies will eventually collapse. And with strict regard for use of resources/capital, they're squeezing every single drop of blood out of the turnip before they toss the remnants in the compost pile.

While I don't know any details of the contract and am not trying to evoke a response, it's important to consider the alternatives of not accepting the contract. Can Skywest recoup the L-ASA -700/900s, transfer their -200s to L-ASA, and shut down the L-ASA side if the contract isn't signed? How many DL Connection seats are flown by ASA every day, what impact will the 717s have to that number, and does sufficient lower-cost lift exist to supplant the absence of ASA? Same goes for L-XJT. I'd like to see the union research/reveal the alternatives Skywest, DL and UA have if the contract is voted down.

Alpa regional reality is a phrase which means alpa is doing nothing and get ready to bend over. Alpa will be coining a new phrase in a year or two for mainline, mainline reality affected by regional reality.

Management to alpa, you cost to much when I can run two crj900' s for the cost of one a320 at your rates, you are going to have to meet a zero cost with the regional rates. Can't wait, will be a good reality show to watch.

Friday the 13th in Atl sounds appropriate.

Why even waste the money for these stupid Road Shows?

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the YES votes will come in from the ATL and DFW base for the L-ASA side. Just pure speculation on my part and I am hoping that I would be proven wrong.

I've read the low points, and I can't really see anything that would prompt me to vote yes (if I could vote).

There will be veiled (and not so veiled) threats that we need to vote this in to save our jobs. Yeah, we tried that at Comair. It worked swell. /sarcasm off

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Originally Posted by ross9238 (Post 1528662)

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the YES votes will come in from the ATL and DFW base for the L-ASA side. Just pure speculation on my part and I am hoping that I would be proven wrong.

Trust this. There will be a big No vote coming from Atlanta and There is no way any yes votes coming from DFW from ASA. I haven't talked to anyone yet voting YES. Be assured there will be a few senior guys voting yes.