It is absolutely amazing to me that so many people have no idea how ALPA is structured. The don't know how it works, who it is, how the RLA works, how the NMB works....but they've got negotiations all figured out.

It was an MEC vote....It's not just 3 on the ASA side.

Unit monster, do you know who your status reps. are? Have you talked to them?

There are many "super senior" ATL CAs on the facebook page saying hell no. I really didn't expect to see that. I've got a feeling this thing is going down in flames, JB nothwithstanding.

I would have been a happy yes with slight improvements over what we currently have in a few specific areas.

I know my rep, asked him a few questions. He averted my question about the vote, intentional or not.

How can one find this FB group? I haven't been to work since before the TA came out.

Check your Pm's.

Send me one too for the FB page

The fb page is private. You have to have a fb friend add you. Please do not add people unless they are currently a pilot for ASA or XJT.

Disclaimer: I know you don't work at ASA.

Did ALPA national vote in the XJT & ASA MEC/reps? Did ALPA national appoint the ASA and XJT Negotiating Committee? Did ALPA national vote to pass this to the XJT and ASA membership?

If voted down, how confident are the ASA/XJT guys that these same elected and appointed people will come back with something better?

ALPA has considerable problems (without a doubt), but sounds like the devil lies within these airlines, not at national. Just an outsiders perspective.

What's entertaining to me is watching Joe Merchant/John Breiling posting like a maniacal chicken little on here and on the facebook page. Today, John's pal, LJ, posted her testimonial on why she's a yes voter. Here's what I remember about John and LJ from Contract 2007... THEIR TUNES HAVEN'T CHANGED A BIT!

Both of them were running around stating how we needed to take concessions to remain viable in the current (2007) market. Heck, LJ even tried to assemble a group of her peeps, known back then as the FAB 4, to take over the MEC in a coup of sorts and accept a concessionary contract from the company. Luckily for us, she failed and while the ensuing contract wasn't great, it was a heck of a lot better than it would have been if she had succeeded.

So here we are, still plugging along almost 7 years after JB and LJ swore that we were asking for too much in our last contract and that the company wouldn't survive. I've heard this all before, didn't buy it then and not buying it this time, either.

...and before JB even has a chance to post about how the environment is different now, I would argue that it's actually better this time around. As has been posted ad naseum here and elsewhere, this airline is going to shrink no matter how we vote with the draw down of the 50 seaters. The difference is that all regional airlines are having trouble staffing the planes they already have, let alone those shifted from another carrier. Who is going to be able to accept any new flying if they can barely fill their cockpits right now?

I understand we aren't going to raise the bar after Pinnacle/Endeavor and PSA caved, but this contract gives away too many things that don't cost the company ANYTHING. Fix the work rules and QOL issues and I'll vote yes, until then, I'm a solid NO!

I'm glad you brought this up MaxPower...Do you remember who the other group of 4 was that was running against them? They named their group "No pilot left behind". I'm suspecting you supported them in that election...correct?

Two of them, DU and SP were on this negotiating committee and this MEC that are presenting this TA. They both think it should pass. Why do you they think they negotiated it and support it? They were on your team against the "fav 4"...What happened?

Agree on the first part.

But get your hands on a copy of Moak's (ALPA natl) email response to the AE MEC voicing their concern over how they feel about the regional spectrum fighting for better compensation and work rules.

Ehhhhhh, you might have a new perspective on exactly how national sees it.

"ALPA is ONLY as good as your MEC".