Fair enough - I guess... My point is we have only the OP's word on what happened. And this could end up being a very uncomfortable situation for this crew because of it. In other-words, anyone can come on here spouting anything, basically naming names with flight numbers, dates, and city pairs. Next thing you know, someone's career is in jeopardy over what a single subjective source spouts, not because of any legitimate objective fact based investigation.

This OP is all about looking like a hero. An intelligent person would have phoned pro-standards, or even spoke to the XJT CP directly. And then, like you said, for the benefit of all, talked about it in general terms on this board.

What he did is basically defamation. And I call into question his interpretation of the situation based on his very questionable judgement in posting about it. I wasn't there, I don't know, and that's kinda the point.

In the case of WN landing on the wrong runway. Well that's irrefutable, so I see it as different.

 

In America, planes de-ice
In Soviet Russia, ice de-planes.

 

I understand the safety factor...but on APF? We have to be more professional than this folks. All conversations are open to the public. This could have been handled differently...

 

Here at Skywest the feds knowing allowed an airplane to takeoff with frost on the wings. The Fed actually took his own pictures! Then subsequently tried to suspend both crewmember's licenses when they returned to SLC from the outstation.

 

If you fly the public expect scrutiny. If you play fast and loose you might get called out. There is nothing stopping a informed passenger calling a news station and blasting the story. If indeed the crew intended to deice this matter will go nowhere but maybe the OP provided some positive stimulus to the crew to wake up and realize their responsibility. Posting on here maybe be indiscreet but taking off with frost covered wings is reckless.

 

I agree as well. This is why others and myself have asked for clarification on the amount of "frost" from the OP. So we can clarify what or even if there was an issue.
Because, "frost" to me is just like the little frozen condensation left after fueling, anymore than that is "ice" IMO. But someone else might think of lots of actual ice obstructing flow and hence a severe safety issue.
Either way, listing and airline, and flight number on APC or any public forum may get this crew in trouble. It would have been better to say something like "on a regional jet yesterday, XXXXXX happened prior to takeoff, is this an issue?" and just see what people think about it.
No need to cause a panic, and possible damage this crews career over what is likely a misunderstanding by a passenger.

 

There are numerous established channels to call somebody out in a professional manner, most notably Pro Stands.

Posting it on APF is inappropriate for the same reason it's inappropriate for a dunk guy to argue with his wife on the front lawn of his trailer park.

 

The crew wouldn't get in trouble because the passenger doesn't know what they are talking about. The crew might get in trouble if they were being careless and carelessness in aviation is deadly. With stakes that high lets not promote keeping mistakes in the shadows.

 

I remember reading a thread months ago...I think by a FedEx pilot who observed a foreign (Asian if I recall) airline taking off without deicing while on a deadhead. Every reply was vilifying the flight crew and demanding they never fly on them again.

EWR doesn't deice anywhere near the runways, they do it near the terminals. You'd think someone riding in the back (a crewmember no less) would be a little bit aware of what was going on.

Just think how the replies would be in this thread if this wasn't a US crew represented by the almighty ALPA.

 

I'm sure they were going to de ice, who said has to be at the gate. No PA omg the nerve!....your welcome for the ride!