No Lies

Inc is not losing money. XJT's IT dept, benefit dept, and others are all under the skywest part of the operation. Guess who is paying out of their pockets to pay those people.

You will not find an xjt ticker symbol, only skywest.

N1234

True, INC is profitable overall but the XJET operation is not. I have heard all these arguments of how INC is burdening you with corporate overhead and cost....

You can certainly manipulate the books to your liking but why would INC want to hurt a fundamentally healthy business - if it was fundamentally healthy? It is all left pocket - right pocket for them. It rolls up to one P&L eventually.

What would be the endgame? Shut down XJET an rehire an retrain people on the SKYW side - and spend Even more money?

Put the conspiracy theory aside.

XJET is in a tough spot and I don't think INC would be out to kill them if it was salvageable. The real tragedy here is that people are still mislead thinking it is a viable option.

SydKat

Look. If something positive was going to happen at XJT it would have by now. Managements silence (except for lame platitudes and excuses) says it all. SKW is growing and XJT/ASA is not. There are many valid reasons for this, but in case you haven't noticed, the ship has sailed for the traditional regional jet model. Both DAL and UAL are looking to massively replace RJs with mainline equipment. It's already happening. Go read the majors forums on this site. The only regionals that have a future beyond a couple of years are the ones that either have guaranteed flying or are so cheap (mostly due to short longevity of pilots) that it's a deal too good for the majors to turn down. XJT/ASA has neither. It's very expensive and has no guarantees. Management touts quality over cost but mainline has repeatedly demonstrated that doesn't matter to them. Attempts to extend flying have all been short term. ExpressJet is just a place holder until SkyWest, Commutair, and the AAG WOs can hire enough pilots to take over the flying. A couple of years from now, there will only be a handful of regional airlines. ExpressJet won't be one of them. If you live in a domicile and think you can get out before (maybe to an LCC) the doors close, then roll the dice. Maybe use them for an RJ type then take that somewhere else for a hiring bonus and easy training (XJT/ASA has one of the best training departments in the industry). If your plan is to upgrade or even get enough experience to be competitive for a Legacy, you're probably looking in the wrong place. And I know several of the recruiters. Most of them are good people but they are pounding the kool aid and making promises that just aren't true in order to meet goals. Don't expect ATL as a new hire. Expect at least 2 years on reserve with virtually no work rules protecting you. Don't expect to upgrade. 16 year Captains are on reserve. I say all this not to bash the company, but because I think it's only fair for people to have all the information before making a decision. There are many voices here of pilots who went to XJT and quickly realized it wasn't what they were told. And senior pilots who used to be proud lifers are now bailing out to LCCs because they are reading the writing on the wall. Buyer beware.

gojo

That's my point. If Express Jet is unprofitable it's by design. Skywest controls both the union lift and the non union lift. If they wanted to make Express Jet profitable the could. That post I quoted made made it sound like Skywest is moving flying because Express is not profitable. It's just smoke and mirrors

N1234

And what is the upside for INC in this "smoke and mirror" game?

gojo

You tell me? But that is complete horse crap that Inc. can't make Express Jet profitable. Skywest didn't get where they are by not knowing how to maximize a business. They're just choosing to build the non union side. Maybe they don't like unions. I don't know. I'm just pretty sure they could've turned it around if the wanted to

SydKat

To eliminate the bother of having to deal with a union and keep their promises to the employees. Duh. We are taking about St George here.

N1234

Oh, I know SGU. They for sure don't like a union but they like it even less to lose money. They are opportunistic and won't turn a dollar away if they can help it.

It is besides the point anyway. You summed it up above - XJET is not was it used to be and buyers beware...

N1234

They for sure don't like unions. But they do like to make money. You don't run a business into the ground for some irrational reason. They are a lot of things but certainly not stupid.

SydKat

They aren't intentionally running a business into the ground. They are performing a controlled crash of a mistake made by a previous leadership group. This is a gradual wind down. And when it finally makes economic sense to pull the plug, they will. I expect all current employees will be offered is interviews at SkyWest Mainline when it happens.