I've heard the contract at ExpressJet with United Airlines may be coming to an end next year.

I need some insight on this. I plan to go through the United CPP and start at United when my slot comes up.

Is ExpressJet keeping the E135/E145 around? Are they loosing the United CPP.

Envoy is starting to look better comparatively

 

Why do you feel the need to start 2 threads on essentially the same topic? Was the first one not enough?

 

The big issue with expressjet is they are now owned by skywest, but are more expensive. So as skywest gets new contracts to fly for American, United, and Delta they will not be going to expressjet. The 50 seater's are a dying aircraft and I don't see expressjet getting a large aircraft contract anytime soon.

 

So correct me if I'm wrong...but 50 seaters are more expensive to operate than the E175s and similar larger jets?
Therefore the E175 means faster career progression because they are cheaper to operate which means they will be flying more which means more hours for me?

 

Not necessarily "flying more", but more likely to keep flying. 50 seat regional jets are a dying breed. Passengers hate them, there are less people to divide the operating costs by, and many of them are reaching their useful life limits. 50 seat RJs can make money under the right conditions, particularly with low oil prices. SkyWest has had much success with "at risk" flying to EAS cities. Mainline carriers, however, are investing in B717s, C-Series, and E190s. These are being flown on routes that used to be flown by regional jets. This is only going to increase. The entire regional industry is being squeezed, and will likely shrink from its current 50% of all domestic flights to 20 or 30% in the next few years. This from nearly every industry analyst (don't take my word, look it up). So the faster you get in, and get out, the better you will be.

As I said on your other thread, you need a regional with lots of MOVEMENT. Not a place with huge upgrade times, and topped out lifers. The contract, airplane, and bases don't really matter if you're only going to be there for a few years. Pay your dues and go. Don't become a regional lifer by going to a stagnant carrier with a great contract.

And regardless of what anyone else tells you, the value of having your own company's name on the tail and side of the aircraft is priceless. Regionals are nothing but subcontractors, and Regional Pilots will always be treated like 2nd class citizens in the industry, who get the leftover scraps and have no control. The faster you get to a legacy or LCC, the better you will be.

 

More hours for you?Lololololololololololololololololol you savage. You know you'll work the same amount as other pilots right?

 

Ok that makes sense.
Envoy is looking like the place to be now. Thank you for your help!

 

Yup, Eaglevoy is good place to be in comparison to Express jet, lots of movement, quick upgrade and no topped out lifers

Some regionals will have you in the left seat or nearly so before you are even just off reserve as an FO at Eaglevoy or expressjet. Choose wisely. A freind of mine who commutes out of my hometown has been at Envoy a little longer than I have been at my airline by about 4 months, yet I was more senior in my respective company after the first 4 months than he has in following 2.5 years at envoy. Plus all those 145's are a dying breed. Anyplace where you fly a 50 seater is a bad choice. The writing is on the wall for those fleets. Yes, Envoy has 76 seaters, but they are not getting a ton of em, and the pilot group from the 145's is more than enough to staff it.

 

Ha!! Really??
Envoy has the almighty flow of about 20 per month i think,it could be less.Xjet probably sends close to the same amount to United,LLC's ,Delta, Sw etc each month,so there is no difference there probably. Upgrade times at both will still exceed 6 or 7 years min unless something major happens,which is unlikely.
Pick the one closest to your house,get in get you some time and experience and then try to get the eff out like everybody else.
Reserve at home on your sofa watching reruns of judge judy is 100x better than reserve in a hotel room or in a crash pad with 10 other guys burping and farting all the time...trust me on that.

 

The United/XJT CPA (capacity purchase agreement) has a timetable with different expiration dates on aircraft. There's a sudden cliff of 100 planes in operation on Dec 31, 2017 then 0 on Jan 1, 2018. There's no way to park that many in a day. There's language in the existing CPA that covers extensions of E145s, which the company has said they're in discussions for. It's pretty much accepted there's going to be an extension, how many and for how long is the big question.

The timetable for the roughly 100 planes is scheduled til next Dec. The planes currently being extended are on short term extensions, so there may be more than that til then. As I'm sure as you've heard, 50 seaters are not desired. However, the United scope clause doesn't allow for more 70-76 seaters, so if they want the Express lift, it's gotta be with 50 seaters. It'll probably remain short term extensions to allow more flexibility.