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08-23-2017, 05:10 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by NoHaz
Thread creep.... maybe you start a 747 vs 727 payrate thread?
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08-24-2017, 01:56 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Not thread creep. The question was asked about the origin, the history, of the narrow body / wide body pay rates. He contributed valuable, factual information about that history.
Thanks, George.
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Thanks, George.
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08-24-2017, 08:08 AM
#73
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
Federal Express had two pay rates DC10, B727. FTL had three pay rates B747, DC8, B727. Pay reduction in Nov/Dec 1986 was not quite 50% but hefty. Company Invest Fund, 6% I believe were suspended. My last full year B747 F/O, 1984 W2 $111,000. Last full year B727 Captain, 1987 W2 $61,500. Last year DC8 Captain, 1988 W2 $98,500. B727 at FTL operated under ALPA LOA. Hourly rate for Captain about the same for B747 F/O. B727 No trip or duty rigs for 90% of the flying. FTL rates changed to reduced wide body, narrow body on merger. Purple rates changed from DC10/B727 at merger date. I recall it took FTL pilots 18 months to achieve parity on pay rates. FTL had a max of 45 days vacation, pay about 2.5 hrs a day. FDX had 35 days max(not sure if it was less at merger), pay 7 hours a day.
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08-24-2017, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
Federal Express had two pay rates DC10, B727. FTL had three pay rates B747, DC8, B727. Pay reduction in Nov/Dec 1986 was not quite 50% but hefty. Company Invest Fund, 6% I believe were suspended. My last full year B747 F/O, 1984 W2 $111,000. Last full year B727 Captain, 1987 W2 $61,500. Last year DC8 Captain, 1988 W2 $98,500. B727 at FTL operated under ALPA LOA. Hourly rate for Captain about the same for B747 F/O. B727 No trip or duty rigs for 90% of the flying. FTL rates changed to reduced wide body, narrow body on merger. Purple rates changed from DC10/B727 at merger date. I recall it took FTL pilots 18 months to achieve parity on pay rates. FTL had a max of 45 days vacation, pay about 2.5 hrs a day. FDX had 35 days max(not sure if it was less at merger), pay 7 hours a day.
When & Why did FEDEX pilots agree to go from 7 hours of pay per day to just 6 hours per day?
...that's about a 15% reduction in pay per day...???
08-24-2017, 02:47 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Disclaimer: Thread creep....
When & Why did FEDEX pilots agree to go from 7 hours of pay per day to just 6 hours per day?
...that's about a 15% reduction in pay per day...???
When & Why did FEDEX pilots agree to go from 7 hours of pay per day to just 6 hours per day?
...that's about a 15% reduction in pay per day...???
08-24-2017, 03:00 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
I forget all the reasons given and when it happened. May have been in 2006. The hourly rate was increased to balance it out.
Hourly rates were increased by 16% to reach a "Cost Neutral" starting point for pay rate negotiations. Neat Company trick. In the first place, the math doesn't quite add up (or multiply out), and second, it gave the pilots a psychological pay raise without spending a penny.
Overrides based on Credit Hours were NOT adjusted for the change from 7 CH per day to 6 CH per day, so we actually agreed to a pay cut.
All but 13% of us, that is.
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08-24-2017, 05:13 PM
#77
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Tony has it right.
We were fooled by a shell game.
Overrides are all based on credit hours. Less hours equals less override dollars.
Once again, we got played.
Any people wonder why we are suspicious about changes to our retirement?
What could possibly go wrong?
We were fooled by a shell game.
Overrides are all based on credit hours. Less hours equals less override dollars.
Once again, we got played.
Any people wonder why we are suspicious about changes to our retirement?
What could possibly go wrong?
08-25-2017, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
I think you are a few months early.
Anybody know anything about the pros and cons of the split?
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