NoHaz

Lots of indirect stuff like cdg lounges and sleep rooms expanding, significant hiring and growth, exciting times. Would be nice to have a more direct assessment of fleet and crew base plans.

FrankTheTank

Agreed.......

ClutchCargo

At the time FDX purchased FTL the Tigers pilots were paid significantly less than the Purple guys as a result of their 50% pay cut a few years before. I don't know if DC-10/B-727 were separated by type or wide/narrow as I came on board just after the merged lists. At that time it was wide/narrow and the FTL pilots were slowly, over the course of two(?) years brought up to FDX pay rates.


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NoHaz

JB operational update video...We are doing great stuff, be safe....psst, What about the bid??

Busboy

And, your point is? Are you trying to justify the reasoning behind the then "new" narrow body/widebody scale?

So, for arguments sake...if FDX bought some A380 operator today...We should lump the A380 into the wide body rate because their pilots are paid less? Of course not!

My point was that short term self interest is not always in one's self interest, at all. And, our pay scale is evidence of that.

kronan

Umm,
380 payrate is already established as being higher than WB pay.

Wouldn't be any contractual negotiations.

ClutchCargo

That whole pay structure was put in place by FDX management. We didn't have a union on the property at the time. The FAB (student council) pretty much went along with the companies wishes. And didn't have any power to change/fight it anyway (re: 1-97) it anyway. I assure you that the 747 wasn't lumped in with the -10 because purple guys didn't want Tigers guys making more than them. Purple guys wanted onto the 747 themselves. The fence was only three years.

Are you sure that widebody/narrowbody category didn't exist before the purchase? I think it did but not sure.

I was just clarifying past history. I didn't have a point to make. Would be just as happy to see a single pay rate but I think that ship sailed a long time ago...

We're you onboard before the purchase? If so, were we aircraft specific for pay purposes before?


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Busboy

Yep, I'm sure the advent of narrowbody/widebody occurred in 1989. It actually happened prior to the merged seniority list being issued. I don't recall a 3 year fence, though. I can guarantee you there was not much, if any, of a fight put up over the new payscales on the FDX side. Fred drew a line.

Also, I erred in earlier post. FTL had DC8-73s...Not -63s. MTOGW of 355,000lbs. Pretty big "narrowbody".

So, my point is that the cat was let out of the bag a long time ago and nobody at FDX really seemed to think about the future consequences of it.

FoxHunter

Federal Express had two pay rates DC10, B727. FTL had three pay rates B747, DC8, B727. Pay reduction in Nov/Dec 1986 was not quite 50% but hefty. Company Invest Fund, 6% I believe were suspended. My last full year B747 F/O, 1984 W2 $111,000. Last full year B727 Captain, 1987 W2 $61,500. Last year DC8 Captain, 1988 W2 $98,500. B727 at FTL operated under ALPA LOA. Hourly rate for Captain about the same for B747 F/O. B727 No trip or duty rigs for 90% of the flying. FTL rates changed to reduced wide body, narrow body on merger. Purple rates changed from DC10/B727 at merger date. I recall it took FTL pilots 18 months to achieve parity on pay rates. FTL had a max of 45 days vacation, pay about 2.5 hrs a day. FDX had 35 days max(not sure if it was less at merger), pay 7 hours a day.

NoHaz

Thread creep.... maybe you start a 747 vs 727 payrate thread?